May 2012
S M T W T F S
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31    

"We're really blessed in this country to have the Judeo-Christian tradition of wanting to love each other and help each other have better lives and to enjoy life and be good to each other. As opposed to the tradition of some Islamofascist localities where they do the reverse - sending their own children off to be blown up."
The Big Picture, 4/29/04.
Recent Comments
    Tony on California Gubernatorial Candidate Angelides says Education is Underfunded (at $18,000 per Student!) .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on Cutest Cat Pictures in History? .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on A "Religion"? Muslim Cleric on TV Describes the Correct Method for Wife Beatings in Islam .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on Why Liberals Use Insults and Why Their Arguments Sound Illogical - The Final Answer .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on A "Religion"? Muslim Cleric on TV Describes the Correct Method for Wife Beatings in Islam .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on Islamists Protest Against U.S. Freedom of Speech at U.C. Irvine .
———
    Paul Salahuddin Armstrong on A "Religion"? Muslim Cleric on TV Describes the Correct Method for Wife Beatings in Islam .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on A "Religion"? Muslim Cleric on TV Describes the Correct Method for Wife Beatings in Islam .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on Hitler's Nurse Talks About the Last Days of the Third Reich .
———
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on Hitler's Nurse Talks About the Last Days of the Third Reich .
———
Archives
  • November 2011
  • October 2011
  • September 2011
  • June 2011
  • May 2011
  • March 2011
  • February 2011
  • January 2011
  • December 2010
  • October 2010
  • August 2010
  • May 2010
  • March 2010
  • January 2010
  • December 2009
  • October 2009
  • September 2009
  • August 2009
  • July 2009
  • June 2009
  • May 2009
  • April 2009
  • March 2009
  • January 2009
  • December 2008
  • November 2008
  • October 2008
  • September 2008
  • July 2008
  • June 2008
  • May 2008
  • April 2008
  • March 2008
  • February 2008
  • January 2008
  • November 2007
  • October 2007
  • September 2007
  • August 2007
  • July 2007
  • June 2007
  • May 2007
  • April 2007
  • March 2007
  • February 2007
  • January 2007
  • December 2006
  • November 2006
  • October 2006
  • September 2006
  • August 2006
  • July 2006
  • June 2006
  • May 2006
  • April 2006
  • March 2006
  • February 2006
  • January 2006
  • December 2005
  • November 2005
  • October 2005
  • September 2005
  • August 2005
  • July 2005
  • June 2005
  • May 2005
  • April 2005
  • March 2005
  • February 2005
  • January 2005
  • December 2004
  • November 2004
  • October 2004
  • September 2004
  • August 2004
  • July 2004
  • June 2004
  • May 2004
  • April 2004
  • March 2004
  • February 2004
  • January 2004
  • December 2003
  • November 2003
  • October 2003
  • September 2003
  • August 2003
  • July 2003
  • June 2003
  • May 2003
  • April 2003
  • March 2003

  • Complete Archives
  • Categories
  • Category Archives
  • All articles: emphasis added unless otherwise noted.
    Quotation for fair use welcomed. Links appreciated.
    Copyright © 2003 - 2011 Vik Rubenfeld.
    HostingMatters_button.png
    ExpEng.png

    July 14, 2008

    A Window Into What Islamic Youths in the UK Are Being Taught - In the Words of One Such Youth

    We often discuss what's going in Islamic schools in the UK, but rarely do we have a view of it from one of the students. What are Islamic youth there being taught to believe? Two comments came in last month, evidently from a 14-year-old Islamic boy named Samir, living in England. According to a plugin I run (the ip2nation plugin for the ExpressionEngine blog engine), the ip address is indeed from the UK. I'm still thinking about these comments.

    First comment:

    You all do not understand Islam. It is very gentle, kind, non politics religion of peace and loves. Media tells lies about muslims. Muslims love Allah and he sees that they loves him, he helps them to get better in life and makes muslims get good house and jobs in Kafir countries.

    In uk muslims even dont haf to work for allah provides money from government benefits. They efen can wer their own cloths without problems, but burka sometimes little problem in schools and places like this.

    Allah has made muslims strong in west, and he is teaching kafir leaders how to respect ALL religion but most of all ISLAM.It is allahs will that ALL countries will become muslim, and one day there will be enuf muslims to take over all europ.When this happens you will see how good it is to be muslim, for allah will take alcohol away and immorals who go with own sex will be executed, no music or dancing except Islam music. Everybody will then say to Allah Thank you, we did not understand how good it is to be muslim.

    I tell you all there is no reason to be afraid of Islam, just accept and see how allah will change your lifes.

    peace to you all Allua Ackbar

    Second comment, posted within an hour of the first:

    Sorry forget to say I am 14 only but already I no the way to be happy without trubles. If only everybody see with my eyes, it is so sample if you just bleve what allah says. No body want to go hell so sample thing is just trust allah and the prophet mohammed (pbuh). One thing for shure is if you try verry hard to do good, allah will try his best to take you to paradise with servants there to serve you, and wine to. If anybody want to here about islam I will be happy to tell them.

    peace to evry country samir

    It's a very revealing set of comments. First of all:

    In uk muslims even dont haf to work for allah provides money from government benefits.

    Rather than seeing welfare as a safety net for those temporarily out of work, Samir sees welfare as a benefit from Allah so that Muslims don't have to work at all. Is Samir aware that the government benefits come from taxes paid by working Brits? His teachers surely are. It appears that, if not Samir himself, then most likely his teachers, see the welfare payments as tribute paid by a public, subservient to Islam, which works hard so that Muslims in the UK don't have to.

    This suggests that in the UK, welfare is a factor that operates powerfully against assimilation of Islamic populations into the broader UK culture. In successful western cultures the need for money forces immigrant populations to assimilate so as to get along with their neighbors, work for them and with them, and make a living. It appears, on the evidence of Samir's comment, that this may not be operational in the UK today.

    Also, the comments provide multiple examples of something which has been identified as a characteristic of Islamic teaching - specifically, a tendency to argue in favor of two contradictory things at the same time. Samir says that Islam is a "very gentle, kind, non politics religion of peace and loves." At the same time, he believes that Islam will force people to stop drinking, outlaw music and dancing, and 'execute' gays.

    Samir says that Islam is a "non politics religion", and at the same time argues that "Allah has made muslims strong in west, and he is teaching kafir leaders how to respect ALL religion but most of all ISLAM," and says that "one day there will be enuf muslims to take over all europ."

    He says that "When this happens you will see how good it is to be muslim," and "Everybody will then say to Allah Thank you, we did not understand how good it is to be muslim." This presumably does not apply to the gays who have been "executed."

    His repeated use of the term "kafir" is also notable, since it is a derogatory term, i.e. a term that is "expressive of low opinion." Per Wikipedia:

    In cultural terms, it is seen as a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects.

    To summarize, this appears to be a window into the Islamic teaching of at least one Muslim youth in the United Kingdom. Samir is being taught that:

    If the United Kingdom wishes to protect its citizens, it must put an end to schools that teach that Islam requires Muslims to take over Europe, enforce Islamic law, and kill non-Muslims.