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    July 18, 2005

    Dialogue from the British Society that Gives Birth to Terrorists

    Daniel Pipes quotes an article recounting conversations with the peers of some of the 7-7 suicide bombers.

    The U.S.-led war was what likely drove him to blow himself up on a subway train last week, said [Tanweer's] friends.

    "He was a Muslim and he had to fight for Islam. This is called jihad," or holy war, said Asif Iqbal, 20, who said he was Tanweer's childhood friend.

    Another friend, Adnan Samir, 21, nodded in agreement.

    "They're crying over 50 people while 100 people are dying every day in Iraq and Palestine," said Iqbal. "If they are indeed the ones who did it, it's because they believed it was right. They're in heaven.

    This is a perfect example of what I have been discussing -- that the civilian society in which the terrorists grow up supports and encourages acts of terrorism. It's not enough to arrest the leaders and point men. The civilian society that supports and encourages acts of terrorism must be shown that so doing has consequences they cannot accept. One example would be to deport everybody belonging to one or more of the mosques in London where imams preach for war on England.


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    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)   on  07/19/05  at  05:34 AM   United States  #1

    Would you deport those who were born in Britain? If so, where would you send them?



    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)   on  07/19/05  at  04:59 PM   United States  #2

    These are good questions.

    Given the explicit treachery, to the point of murder of fellow-civilians, that is involved, I think it's reasonable to deport some of those born in Britain.

    The question of where to deport them to, may depend on the agreement of the receiving nation. One possibility may be to seek agreements permitting them to be deported to the country of their heritage -- Pakistanis to Pakistan, Iranians to Iran, and so forth.



    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)   on  07/21/05  at  02:31 PM   United States  #3

    Vik:

    The problem with deportation is that it rarely seems to work, although I applaud the recent actions against the nascent terrorists in Lodi here in California. Why they were not sentenced for criminal conspiracy and treason is beyond me, but then I'm not a lawyer. However, is sending them back to either thier country of ethnic origin or some other state really a solution? In some ways, it would be counterproductive, especially in the sense that they could then be experienced trainers of sleeper cells.

    It seems to me that deportation is, at best, a band-aid. I admit my own lack of ideas as to other, more effective solutions, however. Perhaps an immediate revocation of citizenship and a reclassification as "enemy combatants" would be a better response to those Americans who wage jihad against their own country????



    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)   on  07/21/05  at  06:48 PM   United States  #4

    tsar lazar,

    Anyone closely enough involved in the attacks to be arrested should absolutely be arrested, tried, and if warranted, convicted and sentenced.

    With regard to deporting members of the broader society in which the terrorists grew up, and which taught them to kill, it may in some ways be counterproductive in the sense that those deported would be free to join terrorist organizations in other countries.

    However, where it would have a very powerful, favorable effect, would be on the members of that broader society, who remain in England. They would see the severe consequences to them of encouraging terrorism. As I posted today, Terrorism cannot long continue in the face of severe blow-back to the societies that produce the terrorists.





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