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July 2007 Stats for The Big Picture.
When I started posting here on July 12th, about deporting Islamofascists, I thought I was suggesting something that was good policy, but that was unlikely to be implemented. Yet now, just a few weeks later, it's happening in France.
France ejects 12 Islamic 'preachers of hate'
Imams and their followers who fuel anti-western feeling among impressionable young French Muslims will be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin, most commonly in France's case to its former north African colonies.
Mr Sarkozy also revealed that as many as 12 French mosques associated with provocative anti-western preaching were under surveillance. Imams indulging in inflammatory rhetoric will be expelled even if their religious status is recognised by mainstream Muslim bodies.
Those who have assumed French citizenship will not be protected from deportation. Mr Sarkozy said he will reactivate measures, "already available in our penal code but simply not used", to strip undesirables of their adopted nationality. "We have to act against radical preachers capable of influencing the youngest and most weak-minded," Mr Sarkozy told the French daily Le Parisien.
They're being deported in a manner similar to something I discussed in a comment:
The question of where to deport them to, may depend on the agreement of the receiving nation. One possibility may be to seek agreements permitting them to be deported to the country of their heritage—Pakistanis to Pakistan, Iranians to Iran, and so forth.
Deport enough of the people who support Islamofascists, and their society will cease to produce new killers. To stop the production of new terrorists, there must be a cost to the society that encourages them. It's not enough just to arrest or kill those directly responsible for the terrorist actions, because the society that produces them will just bring forth more of them. But impose some fairly rigorous blow-back on that society -- in this example, by deporting enough of them -- and all that will stop. This is the way to fight the Islamofascists. England and America would be well-advised to follow suit.
Update, August 5th -- England is now deporting terrorists as well.
Update, August 16th -- Italy is expelling them now as well.
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Unfortunately, in the end that is equivalent to evacuating the enemy. But whatever we can do for now, we should do.
Yes. The key is the effect deportation will have, not so much on those deported, as on those left behind. If enough terrorist-supporters are deported, those left behind will realize that there are now serious costs that they will have to pay for their support of terrorism. Up until now, all the costs are being paid by the poor suckers who are dumb enough to blow themselves up, and their immediate supervisors. If the larger society that supports terrorism starts to pay a substantial cost, that larger society—which gives birth to the terrorist point-men—will, in my opinion, quickly give up and cease their support for the killing of women and children.
Indeed, this is making the consequences of their actions personal. The same motivation behind the Israeli practice of demolishing the homes of suicide bomber families, they can’t get at the bombers themselves, but can make those they love pay the price. In this case, we’re uprooting them from their safe life in the West and back to places where torture is routine and the governments may or may not like them.
#4In this case, we’re uprooting them from their safe life in the West and back to places where torture is routine and the governments may or may not like them.
That’s a great point. The place the terrorists are attacking is so much better than the one they come from, that to return to it would be a punishment to them.
Unfortunately, in the end that is equivalent to evacuating the enemy. But whatever we can do for now, we should do. Eventually we may need to go after them later on their home turf.
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