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This is one of the things that makes a blogger wonder how much he may be contributing to the public debate. I believe I may have been among the first to discuss how Sharia culture is a perfect cancer on Judeo-Christian culture. Our beautiful Judeo-Christian culture teaches us to care about each other's feelings. Sharia culture teaches people to attack each other's feelings -- even their own -- with many Islamofascists purposely sending their own children to their deaths by suicide attack. Sharia culture teaches people to be offended by anyone who isn't also a supporter of fundamentalist Islam.
This makes Sharia culture a perfect cancer on Judeo-Christian culture. We are taught to care about their feelings; they are taught to take offense at everything in the Judeo-Christian culture. Unassimilated Islamists here claim offense, for example, at our right to free speech, and our caring people even consider sacrificing free speech so as not to offend.
So I was glad to see in today's paper, a Brewster Rockit cartoon, which makes a similar point. Click here to see the specific cartoon I'm referring to. Evidently, word is getting around. I wonder if I may have made some contribution in that regard.
However, the word is only starting to get out. A recent column by Jonah Goldberg appears to indicate the same trustingness with regard to unassimilated Islam, which has put the culture of Europe in danger of being overtaken and destroyed:
America is fortunate that our Muslim population is vastly more moderate than, say, France's or Denmark's. We're debating how to accommodate girls' basketball teams. Europeans are debating their civilization as some Muslims try to overturn the foundations of secularism and call for the beheading of those who stand in their way.
This doesn't mean we're not in for some screaming matches - or worse - as we deal with Muslim Americans as the new frontline minority, or with the dilemmas of Muslim immigration. But those are subjects for a million future columns.
Goldberg blithely assumes that 'the dilemmas of Muslim immigration' will be 'dealt with' via 'debates' and 'screaming matches' which will provide fuel for 'future columns.' He is reassuringly unconcerned that what will really happen will be hundreds of cars being burned nightly as in France, embassies being burned as in the cartoon riots, etc. etc. His naivete on this subject, if widely adopted here, would lead to the grave danger Europe is currently in.
As I documented in this recent post, there are many unassimilated Islamists in this country. These Islamists are already seeking to destroy U.S. free speech. Goldberg's 'million future columns' will not come into existence if they were to achieve their goals.
The Judeo-Christian culture is going to have to adapt to counter this threat. We're going to have to learn to say, unassimilated Islamists are seeking to destroy our laws and our culture; and either they have to assimilate and give up those pursuits, or we'll have to expel them.
#2I agree with Jesus.
#3You’re providing more evidence for the post. Unassimilated Islamists want to take away our rights of free speech and freedom of religion, and you’re citing Judeo-Christian tradition, and saying, “turn the other cheek.” It’s exactly what the post talks about.
#4Are you arguing that being oblivious to the beam in your eye is part of our beautiful Judeo-Christian tradition?
Are you going to take credit for inspiring this Brewster Rockit cartoon too?
#5> Are you arguing that being oblivious to the beam in your eye is part of our beautiful Judeo-Christian tradition?
I am not arguing that.
Are you going to respond to the argument I did make?
Vik, the traditions that have made us what we are are those of the Enlightenment.
#7J.son (I see you’re using Bellman’s domain name in your email address—is this Bellman under a new name?), what point are you trying to make?
Yes, I used to post as “The Bellman” on the “The Bellman” group blog. That got confusing, so now I’m just Jason.
As to my point, it is that the traditions you wish to defend are largely of the Enlightenment, which itself was a reaction against the Judeo-Christian order of its time. You mention freedom of speech, for example, and that isn’t exactly from Moses.
#9So, it sounds like you may agree that unassimilated Islam is a cancer on our culture, due to our Judeo-Christian traditions of caring about how other people feel, and you just want to add that our culture also is based on the U.S. constitution, which Islamofascism is also determined to destroy.
#10Muslims try to overturn the foundations of secularism and call for the beheading of those who stand in their way.
hi all i"m amr from egypt every group of people has it"s own believes ...u can see in one group the smart ,the stupid,theif,religious,..etc
i"m moslim our book quraan is the base of our way in life
an the teachs of the messenger mohamed
it dosn’t has a destructive thoughts..we believe in jesus
the point of different betwween us we consider him a messenger not a god ...the god is one we can’t see or know or describ allah is not a creature there is no measures 4 allah..
our quraan says we just fight people want to kick us out of our homes or want to kill us.
in our quraan the christian is a religion from god had sent before islam and we respect it .
in our religion even when we r in a war we musn’t kill children or women or old men. try to read about the islam
not acts of bad moslims
#11amr, I’m glad to hear what you are saying. What do you think of the many Muslims who riot, burn buildings, kill women and children, behead journalists, blow up gatherings of people, etc., in the name of Islam?
#12Am Daud .we need to always say the truth,being muslims and christian.what will u do if someone wants to occupy ur land,kill u even take ur wealth? am sure u will retaliate. no matter how weak u r.that`s what`s really happening in most of muslim countries.eg PALESTINE & IRAQ.THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF ISLAM BUT A MATTER OF FREEDOM.they r fighting for their freedom.leave their land and see what will follow.Yes u have ur own freedom of speech but remember ur freedom doesnt permit u to insult others.Remember u want ur belief to be respected u have to respect other`s belief.thanks
#13Daud, I’m very interested in discussing your views with you.
Let’s start with Iraq.
If, as you say, the terrorists in Iraq want freedom—then why are they killing their fellow Iraqis by the tens of thousands?
#14U r welcome Sir.OK u said they killed themselves.do u know ur contribution to that?were they killing themselves b4 US invasion on their land? if they were doing that, was it of this rate? this implies many effort u did to create this problem among them.do u like what u r doing on their land to be done on urs?let say Saddam killed many of them during his regim.that is work of any bad leader all over the world.Saddam may be muslim but his act doesn`t substantiate Islam.u must know that muslim behavior doesnt represent Islam as what happens in the west like perversion and co, dont represent Islam. ISLAM STRICKLY FORBIDS KILLING INNOSCENT PEOPLE LET ALONE A MUSLIM.HOW CAN A MUSLIM KILL MUSLIM IN ISLAM NAME??? thanks
#15I MEANT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE WEST LIKE PERVESION AND CO DO NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY*
#16Daud, I did not say “they killed themselves.” What I said is, they are killing their fellow Iraqis. If you click this link, you will see that the people fighting the U.S. in Iraq, have killed tens of thousands of their fellow Iraqis. This shows that they are not fighting the U.S. for the freedom of Iraq.
#17What I also meant is that they didn`t mean to kill their fellow Iraqis but they want to eliminate those who took their freedom, who stole their land and petroleum.So what causes all this is presence of US troop on their land.I am sure if their is no foreign force on their land they will definitely find solution to their internal problem. WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST IS TO CLARIFY TO U THAT ISLAM IS FREE FROM ALL TERRORISM ACTION....
#18I appreciate the chance to speak to you about this, Daud.
What I also meant is that they didn`t mean to kill their fellow Iraqis...
Unfortunately, it could not be clearer that they did mean to kill their fellow Iraqis:
At the Baghdad morgue, the vast majority of bodies processed had been shot execution-style. Many showed signs of torture - drill holes, burns, missing eyes and limbs, officials said. Others had been strangled, beheaded, stabbed or beaten to death.
I’m very glad to hear that you believe that Islam is free of terrorism. Now, as you know, all the Islamic terrorists say that they do kill people in the name of Islam. Do you agree that anyone who kills a civilian in the name of Islam, should be told that they are lost to their religion, and are no longer part of Islam?
#19I am also happy to inform u that Islam is very free of terrorism.I must tell u these points.
1:Islam allows muslim to fight against any one who wants to take their freedom or occupy their land.
2;It goes against killing innoscent people, let alone a muslim .So,how do u think that killing innoscent civlians can be ascribed to ISLAM?
3;so no boDy can kill innoScent people in tHE name of Islam ,because it`s against that.
4;lastly i still believe that the major cause of all these is the presence of forEIgn fpRCE ON THEIR land.
thanks.
#20You’re raising some very interesting questions. Do you agree that the Islamic terrorists in Iraq, who have killed tens of thousands of their fellow Iraqis, should be told that they are lost to their religion, and are no longer part of Islam?
#21ok, I simply believe that those who mistakingly kill other iraqis, they do not THAT in the name of Islam but in the name of their freedom.
But who kills innoscent people is surely laying his hand on a forbidden act in Islam.if such person calls himself muslim he a sinner cuz he does what Islam forbids.
What i have to say is that killing innoscent people is not ascribed to Islam…
#22That’s good to hear, Daud. Would you also agree that the people who carried out the killings of innocent people when they destroyed the World Trade Center on 9-11, were also doing what Islam forbids?
#23I can simply tell u that Who ever deliberately violates Islamic rules and regulations he is definitely not a muslim.But concerning September 11th US attack.do u have any evidence or proof which shows that it`s done by Muslims? Then we will apply Islamic law which forbids innocent people on them.
#24hello mr vik am stil looking forward to read from u.
#25Hi Daud,
Osama bin Ladin admitted that he was responsible for 9-11, and says he did it in the name of Islam.
...In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that “history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents”.
In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre’s twin towers were a “legitimate target” and the pilots who hijacked the planes were “blessed by Allah”.
#26Hi vik,
plz tell me that , do you have to say any thing about the following link???
“the 15-year old Iraqi girl was raped and killed along with her parents and 5-year old sister”.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=11651
#27hi vik can u explain this http://www.arabox.net/message.php?scope=e50935&id=58575
[Warning—graphic photos.—ed.]
#28Daud, that story and/or its photos, could be faked.
Let me ask you this. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against Hezbollah for hiding behind human shields?
And where is your outrage against Hezbollah’s purposely rocketing civilian targets in Israel? Do you take the view that it’s okay for Hezbollah to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#29vik,
first of all, i want to say is , that i am zumer, not daud. and the second thing is that u did not replied my message, or is it that u r afraid to reply.........
#30Zoomer and Daud those stories are total ########. You actually think the Islamists who don’t think twice about forcing their own children to be suicide bombers are commited to telling the truth? Give me a break!
#31Zumer, I would make the same reply to you that I made to daud. The story may be faked. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can? Do you take the view that it’s okay for jihadists to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#32A favorite complaint of Vik’s is that Muslims aren’t strong enough in their condemnation of violence by other Muslims.
Now, given the opportunity to condemn the widely reported story about the rape and murder of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, not only does he refuse to condemn it, he tries to insist it didn’t even happen.
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#33Ruth, I said, the story may be faked. If you want to debate that, find some additional validation that it happened.
Now, Ruth, you can answer the same question. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can? Do you take the view that it’s okay for jihadists to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#34Ruth, I said, the story may be faked. If you want to debate that, find some additional validation that it happened.
CNN
Fox News
ABC News
Court TV
New York Times
Washington Post
Reuters
San Jose Mercury News
Charlotte Observer
Time
Hartford Courant
Salt Lake Tribune
But it’s all a hoax, right?
Now, Ruth, you can answer the same question. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can?
I am outraged over anyone purposely killing as many civilians as they can. To the best of my knowledge, the only person in this discussion who has called for the killing of civilians is you.
#35I am outraged over anyone purposely killing as many civilians as they can.
And yet the only people you criticize are America and Israel. This response of yours appears to be just lip service. It’s not backed up by your actions.
#36And yet the only people you criticize are America and Israel. This response of yours appears to be just lip service. It’s not backed up by your actions.
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#37Ruth, be advised that it’s the stated policy of this forum that comments that are trolls may be deleted, and your unremitting hostility and insults are textbook definitions of trolls.
#38[Troll deleted]
#39I would suggest that we all go to the library and borrow the following books: The Koran-Including the Hadiths and Surrahs, The Bible, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, and The Sword of the Prophet. Read the last two books FIRST, using the Koran and Bible as points of Theological reference. I believe this will FACTUALLY explain all the ethical differences between the two factions. This debate has been going on since the time of President John Quincy Adams in the USA. . .and it isn’t going to go away anytime in the foreseeable future. The important thing is to know the FACTS about what the Koran Teaches and what the Bible teaches. JQ Adams had some very harsh words for the sons of Hagar, and that was 200 years ago. Know your history, learn from it and apply it. One final comment. . .If you look up “Cult Checklit” in Google seach and peruse it, it may dawn on you that Islam may be more of a “moon-god cult” than a “religion”. Why do they use a crescent on the Minnerets and national flags? Hit the books my friends and let me know your conclusions!! Best wishes!
#40Oaths of Loyalty
It has come to my attention through an Australian friend that Australia’s Prime Minister Howard and his government have a, ‘love it or leave’ it attitude vis a vis immigrants. It was suggested that Muslims were invited to stay if they could integrate into Australian society, and if not, they could leave. I looked this up in Snopes Australia has a Pledge of Commitment for all naturalized citizens:
Pledge of Commitment to Australia:
From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.
All new citizens have the choice of making the pledge with or without the words ‘under God’.
Good on you, Oz!
Here is an article concerning Canada
Additionally, the European Union is proposing an oath of allegiance for immigrants to uphold the laws of the EU and fundamental rights albeit negating the oath to Queen and Country in the United Kingdom and Great Britain which is quite controvertial. (Incidently, according to the article, check out the number of illegal immigrants asked to leave and how many actually left!) Despite some of the objections, it demonstrates that the Europeans are concerned with illegal and counter-cultural immigrants.
And in the United States? We require an Oath of Allegiance from naturalized citizens, however Pennsylvania has dropped their oath of loyalty for candidates and state employees.
But according to Richard Winger, “Nobody really pays any attention to them (loyalty oaths),
Pitiful.
#41Look, I agree with what you guys are saying here for the most part, but I just want to say that we can’t let ourselves view all Muslims negatively. We all know that it is only a few Muslims who are “out to get us and our way of life”. And this is a very real thing. But all cultures have their “freaks”, and we can’t let them alter how we view the rest of the people in an entire culture. Hitler was a Christian, right?
I just wanted to throw that out there
#42Mohammad commisioned his followers to subjugate all the world to Islam - especially by the sword. Devout/observant Muslims are therefore called to Jihad against all infidels.
No such commission for world domination by force exists in Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, or Buddh
The mote that is in the eye of your brother you see; but the beam that is in your own eye, you see not!
-Jesus Christ