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This is one of the things that makes a blogger wonder how much he may be contributing to the public debate. I believe I may have been among the first to discuss how Sharia culture is a perfect cancer on Judeo-Christian culture. Our beautiful Judeo-Christian culture teaches us to care about each other's feelings. Sharia culture teaches people to attack each other's feelings -- even their own -- with many Islamofascists purposely sending their own children to their deaths by suicide attack. Sharia culture teaches people to be offended by anyone who isn't also a supporter of fundamentalist Islam.
This makes Sharia culture a perfect cancer on Judeo-Christian culture. We are taught to care about their feelings; they are taught to take offense at everything in the Judeo-Christian culture. Unassimilated Islamists here claim offense, for example, at our right to free speech, and our caring people even consider sacrificing free speech so as not to offend.
So I was glad to see in today's paper, a Brewster Rockit cartoon, which makes a similar point. Click here to see the specific cartoon I'm referring to. Evidently, word is getting around. I wonder if I may have made some contribution in that regard.
However, the word is only starting to get out. A recent column by Jonah Goldberg appears to indicate the same trustingness with regard to unassimilated Islam, which has put the culture of Europe in danger of being overtaken and destroyed:
America is fortunate that our Muslim population is vastly more moderate than, say, France's or Denmark's. We're debating how to accommodate girls' basketball teams. Europeans are debating their civilization as some Muslims try to overturn the foundations of secularism and call for the beheading of those who stand in their way.
This doesn't mean we're not in for some screaming matches - or worse - as we deal with Muslim Americans as the new frontline minority, or with the dilemmas of Muslim immigration. But those are subjects for a million future columns.
Goldberg blithely assumes that 'the dilemmas of Muslim immigration' will be 'dealt with' via 'debates' and 'screaming matches' which will provide fuel for 'future columns.' He is reassuringly unconcerned that what will really happen will be hundreds of cars being burned nightly as in France, embassies being burned as in the cartoon riots, etc. etc. His naivete on this subject, if widely adopted here, would lead to the grave danger Europe is currently in.
As I documented in this recent post, there are many unassimilated Islamists in this country. These Islamists are already seeking to destroy U.S. free speech. Goldberg's 'million future columns' will not come into existence if they were to achieve their goals.
The Judeo-Christian culture is going to have to adapt to counter this threat. We're going to have to learn to say, unassimilated Islamists are seeking to destroy our laws and our culture; and either they have to assimilate and give up those pursuits, or we'll have to expel them.
Page 1 of 2 pages of comments for this article.
#2I agree with Jesus.
#3You're providing more evidence for the post. Unassimilated Islamists want to take away our rights of free speech and freedom of religion, and you're citing Judeo-Christian tradition, and saying, "turn the other cheek." It's exactly what the post talks about.
#4Are you arguing that being oblivious to the beam in your eye is part of our beautiful Judeo-Christian tradition?
Are you going to take credit for inspiring this Brewster Rockit cartoon too?
#5> Are you arguing that being oblivious to the beam in your eye is part of our beautiful Judeo-Christian tradition?
I am not arguing that.
Are you going to respond to the argument I did make?
Vik, the traditions that have made us what we are are those of the Enlightenment.
#7J.son (I see you're using Bellman's domain name in your email address -- is this Bellman under a new name?), what point are you trying to make?
Yes, I used to post as "The Bellman" on the "The Bellman" group blog. That got confusing, so now I'm just Jason.
As to my point, it is that the traditions you wish to defend are largely of the Enlightenment, which itself was a reaction against the Judeo-Christian order of its time. You mention freedom of speech, for example, and that isn't exactly from Moses.
#9So, it sounds like you may agree that unassimilated Islam is a cancer on our culture, due to our Judeo-Christian traditions of caring about how other people feel, and you just want to add that our culture also is based on the U.S. constitution, which Islamofascism is also determined to destroy.
#10Muslims try to overturn the foundations of secularism and call for the beheading of those who stand in their way.
hi all i"m amr from egypt every group of people has it"s own believes ...u can see in one group the smart ,the stupid,theif,religious,..etc
i"m moslim our book quraan is the base of our way in life
an the teachs of the messenger mohamed
it dosn't has a destructive thoughts..we believe in jesus
the point of different betwween us we consider him a messenger not a god ...the god is one we can't see or know or describ allah is not a creature there is no measures 4 allah..
our quraan says we just fight people want to kick us out of our homes or want to kill us.
in our quraan the christian is a religion from god had sent before islam and we respect it .
in our religion even when we r in a war we musn't kill children or women or old men. try to read about the islam
not acts of bad moslims
#11amr, I'm glad to hear what you are saying. What do you think of the many Muslims who riot, burn buildings, kill women and children, behead journalists, blow up gatherings of people, etc., in the name of Islam?
#12Am Daud .we need to always say the truth,being muslims and christian.what will u do if someone wants to occupy ur land,kill u even take ur wealth? am sure u will retaliate. no matter how weak u r.that`s what`s really happening in most of muslim countries.eg PALESTINE & IRAQ.THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF ISLAM BUT A MATTER OF FREEDOM.they r fighting for their freedom.leave their land and see what will follow.Yes u have ur own freedom of speech but remember ur freedom doesnt permit u to insult others.Remember u want ur belief to be respected u have to respect other`s belief.thanks
#13Daud, I'm very interested in discussing your views with you.
Let's start with Iraq.
If, as you say, the terrorists in Iraq want freedom -- then why are they killing their fellow Iraqis by the tens of thousands?
#14U r welcome Sir.OK u said they killed themselves.do u know ur contribution to that?were they killing themselves b4 US invasion on their land? if they were doing that, was it of this rate? this implies many effort u did to create this problem among them.do u like what u r doing on their land to be done on urs?let say Saddam killed many of them during his regim.that is work of any bad leader all over the world.Saddam may be muslim but his act doesn`t substantiate Islam.u must know that muslim behavior doesnt represent Islam as what happens in the west like perversion and co, dont represent Islam. ISLAM STRICKLY FORBIDS KILLING INNOSCENT PEOPLE LET ALONE A MUSLIM.HOW CAN A MUSLIM KILL MUSLIM IN ISLAM NAME??? thanks
#15I MEANT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE WEST LIKE PERVESION AND CO DO NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY*
#16Daud, I did not say "they killed themselves." What I said is, they are killing their fellow Iraqis. If you click this link, you will see that the people fighting the U.S. in Iraq, have killed tens of thousands of their fellow Iraqis. This shows that they are not fighting the U.S. for the freedom of Iraq.
#17What I also meant is that they didn`t mean to kill their fellow Iraqis but they want to eliminate those who took their freedom, who stole their land and petroleum.So what causes all this is presence of US troop on their land.I am sure if their is no foreign force on their land they will definitely find solution to their internal problem. WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST IS TO CLARIFY TO U THAT ISLAM IS FREE FROM ALL TERRORISM ACTION....
#18I appreciate the chance to speak to you about this, Daud.
What I also meant is that they didn`t mean to kill their fellow Iraqis...
Unfortunately, it could not be clearer that they did mean to kill their fellow Iraqis:
At the Baghdad morgue, the vast majority of bodies processed had been shot execution-style. Many showed signs of torture - drill holes, burns, missing eyes and limbs, officials said. Others had been strangled, beheaded, stabbed or beaten to death.
I'm very glad to hear that you believe that Islam is free of terrorism. Now, as you know, all the Islamic terrorists say that they do kill people in the name of Islam. Do you agree that anyone who kills a civilian in the name of Islam, should be told that they are lost to their religion, and are no longer part of Islam?
#19I am also happy to inform u that Islam is very free of terrorism.I must tell u these points.
1:Islam allows muslim to fight against any one who wants to take their freedom or occupy their land.
2;It goes against killing innoscent people, let alone a muslim .So,how do u think that killing innoscent civlians can be ascribed to ISLAM?
3;so no boDy can kill innoScent people in tHE name of Islam ,because it`s against that.
4;lastly i still believe that the major cause of all these is the presence of forEIgn fpRCE ON THEIR land.
thanks.
#20You're raising some very interesting questions. Do you agree that the Islamic terrorists in Iraq, who have killed tens of thousands of their fellow Iraqis, should be told that they are lost to their religion, and are no longer part of Islam?
#21ok, I simply believe that those who mistakingly kill other iraqis, they do not THAT in the name of Islam but in the name of their freedom.
But who kills innoscent people is surely laying his hand on a forbidden act in Islam.if such person calls himself muslim he a sinner cuz he does what Islam forbids.
What i have to say is that killing innoscent people is not ascribed to Islam...
#22That's good to hear, Daud. Would you also agree that the people who carried out the killings of innocent people when they destroyed the World Trade Center on 9-11, were also doing what Islam forbids?
#23I can simply tell u that Who ever deliberately violates Islamic rules and regulations he is definitely not a muslim.But concerning September 11th US attack.do u have any evidence or proof which shows that it`s done by Muslims? Then we will apply Islamic law which forbids innocent people on them.
#24hello mr vik am stil looking forward to read from u.
#25Hi Daud,
Osama bin Ladin admitted that he was responsible for 9-11, and says he did it in the name of Islam.
...In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".
In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".
#26Hi vik,
plz tell me that , do you have to say any thing about the following link???
"the 15-year old Iraqi girl was raped and killed along with her parents and 5-year old sister".
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=11651
#27hi vik can u explain this http://www.arabox.net/message.php?scope=e50935&id=58575
[Warning -- graphic photos. -- ed.]
#28Daud, that story and/or its photos, could be faked.
Let me ask you this. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against Hezbollah for hiding behind human shields?
And where is your outrage against Hezbollah's purposely rocketing civilian targets in Israel? Do you take the view that it's okay for Hezbollah to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#29vik,
first of all, i want to say is , that i am zumer, not daud. and the second thing is that u did not replied my message, or is it that u r afraid to reply.........
#30Zoomer and Daud those stories are total ########. You actually think the Islamists who don't think twice about forcing their own children to be suicide bombers are commited to telling the truth? Give me a break!
#31Zumer, I would make the same reply to you that I made to daud. The story may be faked. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can? Do you take the view that it’s okay for jihadists to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#32A favorite complaint of Vik's is that Muslims aren't strong enough in their condemnation of violence by other Muslims.
Now, given the opportunity to condemn the widely reported story about the rape and murder of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, not only does he refuse to condemn it, he tries to insist it didn't even happen.
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#33Ruth, I said, the story may be faked. If you want to debate that, find some additional validation that it happened.
Now, Ruth, you can answer the same question. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can? Do you take the view that it’s okay for jihadists to kill civilians, but not for Israel?
#34Ruth, I said, the story may be faked. If you want to debate that, find some additional validation that it happened.
But it's all a hoax, right?
Now, Ruth, you can answer the same question. If you are concerned about civilians, where is your outrage against jihadists for purposely killing as many civilians as they can?
I am outraged over anyone purposely killing as many civilians as they can. To the best of my knowledge, the only person in this discussion who has called for the killing of civilians is you.
#35I am outraged over anyone purposely killing as many civilians as they can.
And yet the only people you criticize are America and Israel. This response of yours appears to be just lip service. It's not backed up by your actions.
#36And yet the only people you criticize are America and Israel. This response of yours appears to be just lip service. It’s not backed up by your actions.
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#37Ruth, be advised that it's the stated policy of this forum that comments that are trolls may be deleted, and your unremitting hostility and insults are textbook definitions of trolls.
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#39I would suggest that we all go to the library and borrow the following books: The Koran-Including the Hadiths and Surrahs, The Bible, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, and The Sword of the Prophet. Read the last two books FIRST, using the Koran and Bible as points of Theological reference. I believe this will FACTUALLY explain all the ethical differences between the two factions. This debate has been going on since the time of President John Quincy Adams in the USA. . .and it isn't going to go away anytime in the foreseeable future. The important thing is to know the FACTS about what the Koran Teaches and what the Bible teaches. JQ Adams had some very harsh words for the sons of Hagar, and that was 200 years ago. Know your history, learn from it and apply it. One final comment. . .If you look up "Cult Checklit" in Google seach and peruse it, it may dawn on you that Islam may be more of a "moon-god cult" than a "religion". Why do they use a crescent on the Minnerets and national flags? Hit the books my friends and let me know your conclusions!! Best wishes!
#40Oaths of Loyalty
It has come to my attention through an Australian friend that Australia's Prime Minister Howard and his government have a, 'love it or leave' it attitude vis a vis immigrants. It was suggested that Muslims were invited to stay if they could integrate into Australian society, and if not, they could leave. I looked this up in Snopes Australia has a Pledge of Commitment for all naturalized citizens:
Pledge of Commitment to Australia:
From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.
All new citizens have the choice of making the pledge with or without the words 'under God'.
Good on you, Oz!
Here is an article concerning Canada
Additionally, the European Union is proposing an oath of allegiance for immigrants to uphold the laws of the EU and fundamental rights albeit negating the oath to Queen and Country in the United Kingdom and Great Britain which is quite controvertial. (Incidently, according to the article, check out the number of illegal immigrants asked to leave and how many actually left!) Despite some of the objections, it demonstrates that the Europeans are concerned with illegal and counter-cultural immigrants.
And in the United States? We require an Oath of Allegiance from naturalized citizens, however Pennsylvania has dropped their oath of loyalty for candidates and state employees.
But according to Richard Winger, "Nobody really pays any attention to them (loyalty oaths),
Pitiful.
#41Look, I agree with what you guys are saying here for the most part, but I just want to say that we can't let ourselves view all Muslims negatively. We all know that it is only a few Muslims who are "out to get us and our way of life". And this is a very real thing. But all cultures have their "freaks", and we can't let them alter how we view the rest of the people in an entire culture. Hitler was a Christian, right?
I just wanted to throw that out there
#42Mohammad commisioned his followers to subjugate all the world to Islam - especially by the sword. Devout/observant Muslims are therefore called to Jihad against all infidels.
No such commission for world domination by force exists in Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, or Buddhism.
It is only those Muslims who are not devout that pose no threat.
Hitler was NOT a Christian. He rejected all civilized religious beliefs and morals by supplanting them with National Socialist 'rites' to further his personal agenda; these 'rites' included elements of astrology, Nordic mythology, and propaganda.
I would suggest that you start reading the Koran and brush up with a bit of NAZI history.
#43Well said, as always, A.M.
#44Whatever, you guys are just going to tag team me regarding facts, and ignore my ideas. Just reread Daud's messages. He is a source of information which we like to call a person.
Remember that people are people. Every Muslim doesnt have a big scary idea of world domination.
#45Al, The keywod here is, unassimilated.
#46Ok, ok, I realize that, but I was mostly directing that towards Vik, because I just get this feeling that he to expands his negative views to reach all Muslims as a group.
Vik, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's just a little frustrating when you seem to not accept Muslims because you apply our, and your, standards to what they do, and when you apply your idea of some of them to all of them. They are very different people, with a very different culture, but let's see if we can apply that "Judeo-Christian tradition of wanting to love each other" to everyone, and not just those who are familiar to us.
I do agree with many of your points here-- you're a smart guy and the things you say are valid. But I'd like to add one word to the title of this page; Unassimilated Islam is SOMETIMES a cancer on the west.
#47Hi Al,
Thanks for the good words.
Unassimilated Islam is SOMETIMES a cancer on the west.
No, honestly, I think you've got it wrong. Historically people have come to America from all sorts of different cultures and assimilated and become successful. We must insist that Muslims who have come here do the same.
Muslims have used the policy of non-assimilation in other nations to grow a culture within the host nation that is hostile to that nation, ultimately destroying the culture of the host nation. It's a very successful strategy and is directly analogous to cancer. Just look at France, Italy, or England today. You know what language they used to speak in Egypt? (This is a bit of a trick question, but the answer is illuminating.)
Have you looked at the Koran? A tremendous amount of it is unequivocally about killing and subjugating those of other religions. Not a line or two, as in the Bible, but line after line after line, passage after passage. And the life of Mohammed was one of killing and warfare.
Only Islam makes it an article of faith that those of other religions are offensive simply by believing in their religion. Islam says that Christianity is offensive because it says Christ is the son of God, and says that Judaism is offensive because it does not recognize that Christ is a prophet.
If you raise little children to believe in this stuff you often get adults who try to carry it out in their lives. It is extremely dangerous.
...I was mostly directing that towards Vik, because I just get this feeling that he to expands his negative views to reach all Muslims as a group.
Well, that's not exactly right. I welcome the Muslims who are here to repudiate terrorists, to assimilate, and to become successful, like everybody else.
Per Wafa Sultan:
...You would be surprised if you knew how many people in Syria believe what I believe. Using fake names, and behind the scenes, they are supporting me. Because you are risking your life and the life of your family. Everyone is looking to the free world to get them out of their prison.
When Muslims say, there are 1.3 billion of them, it makes it sound like they are the whole world. But the rest of the world is 5 billion. Muslims are a minority and they have to act like it. Those Muslims have no choice of religion, they are forced to be Muslim. Give those 1.3 billion Muslims freedom of religion, and then see how many Muslims there are in the world!
It would be easy for Muslims in the U.S. to show that they should not be lumped in with terrorists who kill in the name of Islam. All they have to do is march, make speeches, and have rallies proclaiming loudly that anyone who blows up a restaurant, bus, plane, etc., in the name of Islam, is lost to Islam and is no longer a good Muslim. Easy. But, as we all know, this is something Muslims do not yet do. They explicitly do not yet separate themselves from those who do those things. It's up to them to separate themselves from those who do such things, and so far, they have not yet done so.
The result is that it is almost impossible not to believe that they do not tacitly support such things.
They can step forward any time and separate themselves from those who want to destroy the West. It's long been time for them to do so. What's stopping them?
Please check out my post on Wafa Sultan, and then let me know your thoughts.
#48I totally agree with what Sultan is saying, and it's pretty awesome that shes speaking like that for Arab news channels.
I do think that I personally would speak against Muslim acts of terrorism and violence if I was a Muslim who did not stand for it, just as you said they should do. But you and I aren't Muslims.
I truly believe that, as Americans, it is easy for us to judge the rest of the world and its people. And this is likely true for many people in other countries. But if we pride ourselves so strongly on being educated, thoughtful, advanced, and whatever else we would say, I don't understand why we can't also be understanding of the fact that most people in the world are radically different from us, and have been brought up and lived with raically different values, rules, culture, etc.
I think it is very possible that Muslims take their culture and religion much more seriously than most Christians and Jews do. And even if they aren't more dedicated to it, I still think that there is something that keeps them from speaking out against other Muslims.
It could be that they are taught that all Muslims are good and that they should never criticize each other, and it could be that they are afraid to go against any Muslim acts or thoughts. Or they could be unsure of whether or not violent and hateful acts carried out by other Muslims are truly what their religion asks for. It could also be some cultural issue that I could never learn of or understand. Whatever it is, they aren't speaking out against Muslim violence and acts of terror that are "in the name of Islam".
My point is that it is too easy to judge Muslims on this issue, and it is too easy to state what they SHOULD be doing about it without stepping into their shoes. This might sound stupid and naive to you. But all I can say is that they are very different people from us, and have all grown up with Islam as a large part of who they are.
It could be that they dont criticize their own religion and they especially don't express thoughts against it. They may feel that speaking out against people carrying out violence in the name of their religion is like denouncing Islam. And it is not acceptable in their culture to do so.
These are just some ideas. We just cant comprehend some of their thoughts about certain issues or why they differ from ours simply because we are not them.
#49I agree with you in saying that you feel Muslims should speak out against other Muslims' violent acts, but your ideas shouldnt be used to fuel an even larger nonacceptance of Muslims than what is already present in America.
I think it would be more useful for us to understand why it is happening (or not happening, that is) than it is to keep talking about our assumptions about Muslims based on our American standards.
#50Dear Al,
The spirit of charity is evident in your posts; that is a hallmark of the Judeo/Christian/Eastern ethic.
No other group, save the Communists with their Manifesto, wished to change nations and societies to reflect their values. All Christians, Jews, and adherents to Eastern philosophies actually thrive in our country.
With the many roommates I have hosted, only the Muslim was boasting to me about what the Qu'ran teaches, the wisdom of Sharia Law, and how Muslims are working to subjugate all the world to Islam. (Note to Christians: When Jesus comes back, he will be a Muslim!) She said the beauty of Islam is that it goes beyond national boundaries; Islam is a nation and political sovereignity is non-sensical to them. Islam is a nation that needs to spread around the world, breaking down political, judicial, and social boundaries in favor of their own.
I grew up with Muslims and there didn't seem to be a problem. I had no prejudice towards Muslims or Arabs. They were my friends and classmates in the same public schools in New York and their parents were shopkeepers, business owners, doctors, cpa's, educators and diplomats. They were from Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Indonesia, and Afghanistan.
My friends attended Islamic instruction after school in the same way the Jews received training in Hebrew and the Catholics learnt their catechism. I imagine my Chinese, Vietnamese, and Japanese friends also had their lessons in religion and culture. (There weren.t many Protestants in our neighborhood!)
But the recent wave of immigrants seems to be quite different - far more fundmental, radical, and unaccepting of the core values of the United States. They don't seem to want to get involved with any community except the Muslim one and they are critcal of the United States' culture and values.
We have gone to extremes to accomodate people of all faiths and backgrounds. We have laws in place to guarantee equal opportunity and redress of grievances so there is no excuse not to take one's place in the American community.
Why did they come here if they are opposed to what our country stands for? You need to ask that; I do whenever I enter my building.
People and governments at first did not take Communism seriously, and look how it devastated the world in the past century!
The Qu'ran is just as much a blueprint for world domination as the Communist Manifesto.
It is time to take radical Islam seriously; I take them at their 'word'.
So should you.
#51Al and A.M., I think we're having an excellent exchange here.
Al, in your post #48, you presented a number of possible explanations for why Muslims in the U.S. don't oppose Muslims who are blowing up buses, trains, planes, restaurants, etc. So we agree that most Muslims in the U.S. are not yet seen opposing such things.
I agree with you that it's important to understand as much as possible why most Muslims are tacitly supporting the people who want to kill us; at the same time, we must take action to keep radical Islamists from killing Westerners in the name of Islam. Muslims in the U.S. must be required to assimilate, and ultimately to actively oppose those who kill in the name of their religion.
We just cant comprehend some of their thoughts about certain issues or why they differ from ours simply because we are not them.
Comprehending them is a plus, but it is not required. What is required is to take all actions to keep Islamists from killing Westerners.
#52Comprehending them is a plus.
Absolutely. I do comprehend them and have rejected their beliefs and laws.
I judge a people/country by their laws and judicial system.
Sharia Law is unacceptable to the Western world; it is wholley astounding that Sharia justice is motivated by the basest of human emotions and actions while Western justice is motivated by the highest ideals and models.
Sharia Law is followed by most Muslims around the world despite other laws that are in place in the respective countries where they live. Sharia binds them as a nation without walls or boundaries. It covers all aspects of a Muslim's day and life from dawn to dusk. It is a vastly complicated and draconian system which includes even the most mundane activities.
Sharia is deeply ingrained in each Muslim and part of their overall spiritual makeup; it cannot be easily separated. It supercedes national laws. The Qu'ran is more valid to most Muslims in the US than the Constitution.
Please read the section called, #7 Sharia, democracy and human rights concerning compatibility with democracy and human rights.
This is something that I've come to comprehend: Islam is not compatible with the West. It's as simple as that. It is dangerous to make exceptions, distinctions, accomodations, justifications, or rationalizations.
All U.S. citizens, or those who wish to be citizens, need to adhere to and be subject to US laws and judicial system. How is this possible when most of Sharia contradicts US law?
And it just may be that many moderate or non-observant Muslims are afraid or unwilling to stand up against the Islamists because of this internal struggle between Sharia and secular law.
Again. before you make any more remarks concerning this, please read the Qu'ran and study some cases in Sharia Law.
#53The excellent comments and observations in this thread have just been extensively quoted in a new article.
#54Speaking of Muslims and "terrorism"...
One thing that struck me as odd in the days after 9/11 was Bush saying "We will not tolerate conspiracy theories [regarding 9/11]". Sure enough there have been some wacky conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. The most far-fetched and patently ridiculous one that I've ever heard goes like this: Nineteen hijackers who claimed to be devout Muslims but yet were so un-Muslim as to be getting drunk all the time, doing cocaine and frequenting strip clubs decided to hijack four airliners and fly them into buildings in the northeastern U.S., the area of the country that is the most thick with fighter bases. After leaving a Koran on a barstool at a strip bar after getting shitfaced drunk on the night before, then writing a suicide note/inspirational letter that sounded like it was written by someone with next to no knowledge of Islam, they went to bed and got up the next morning hung over and carried out their devious plan. Nevermind the fact that of the four "pilots" among them there was not a one that could handle a Cessna or a Piper Cub let alone fly a jumbo jet, and the one assigned the most difficult task of all, Hani Hanjour, was so laughably incompetent that he was the worst fake "pilot" of the bunch. Nevermind the fact that they received very rudimentary flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station, making them more likely to have been C.I.A. assets than Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. So on to the airports. These "hijackers" somehow managed to board all four airliners with their tickets, yet not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests. So they hijack all four airliners and at this time passengers on United 93 start making a bunch of cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air to tell people what was going on. Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn't work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn't work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won't let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you "aren't supposed to think about". Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name, more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn't respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. But of course on 9/11 this didn't happen, not even close. Somehow these "hijackers" must have used magical powers to cause NORAD to stand down, as ridiculous as this sounds because total inaction from the most high-tech and professional Air Force in the world would be necessary to carry out their tasks. So on the most important day in its history the Air Force was totally worthless. Then they had to make one of the airliners look like a smaller plane, because unknown to them the Naudet brothers had a videocamera to capture the only known footage of the North Tower crash, and this footage shows something that is not at all like a jumbo jet, but didn't have to bother with the South Tower jet disguising itself because that was the one we were "supposed to see". Anyway, as for the Pentagon they had to have Hani Hanjour fly his airliner like it was a fighter plane, making a high G-force corkscrew turn that no real airliner can do, in making its descent to strike the Pentagon. But these "hijackers" wanted to make sure Rumsfeld survived so they went out of their way to hit the farthest point in the building from where Rumsfeld and the top brass are located. And this worked out rather well for the military personnel in the Pentagon, since the side that was hit was the part that was under renovation at the time with few military personnel present compared to construction workers. Still more fortuitous for the Pentagon, the side that was hit had just before 9/11 been structurally reinforced to prevent a large fire there from spreading elsewhere in the building. Awful nice of them to pick that part to hit, huh?
#55Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn't even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying "We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down" attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers' magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be "Muslim hijackers" the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don't laugh) one of their passports was "found" a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously "surviving" the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also "survived" the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be "indestructable" like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn't bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastical far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the "nineteen hijackers" is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. Which is itself a testament to the innate psychological cowardice of the American sheeple, i mean people, and their abject willingness to believe something, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous in order to avoid facing a scary uncomfortable truth. Time to wake up America.
#56Enlightenment, one guy you'll never convince of that is Bin Laden, who as you know admitted to having done everything you say he didn't do.
Also relevant: Popular Mechanics: Debunking The 9/11 Myths.
#57Enlightenment,
I'd be interested to find out your findings concerning the Holocaust.
#58"it dosn’t has a destructive thoughts..we believe in jesus
the point of different betwween us we consider him a messenger not a god ...the god is one we can’t see or know or describ allah is not a creature there is no measures 4 allah..
our quraan says we just fight people want to kick us out of our homes or want to kill us."
Awhhh the old taqiyya. How endearing, innit?
Confessions of a Former Islamist: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AhmedShalakamy50521.htm
And that scum is from Egypt too!
Why does Egypt keeps its muslim brothers from fleeing Israel?
http://english.people.com.cn/200607/17/eng20060717_283725.html
How come muslims refuse to welcome with open arms their brothers in faith? Isn't there enough room for them in Egypt, Arabia, Lebanon, Syria... Jordan? Hey, wasn't it Jordan part of the British Mandate of Palestine? That would mean that the Palestinian state exists nowadays and it's called The Kingdom of Jordan! There, tell your Palestinian brothers they can stop blowing people up.
How weak a god this Allah is, isn't it? Heavily relying on his subjects because he can't defend himself from the offending kafirs. YHWH can't either.
#59I took a look at my email list one day and saw how many "moderate" muslims I actually knew! I decided to tell them the truth.that I will never convert to islam, and that I know now that they must kill me, accroding to the koran.
Not ONE of them denied that he/she would kill me for having rejected islam, when "the time" comes. After all, we all get ONE chance to convert to islam, and I decided to cash mine in...the answer is NO. These people who I thought were friends were only using me for whatever advantage they could, whether that was babysitting, helping them with citizenship applications, business assistance, etc. etc. They ALL had some need for which I was a dhimmi...er, dummy.
From this one decision I took, I learned something money could not buy: that every single so-called "moderate" muslim, male or female, knows that he is a potential jihaddist, and none would deny this to me, no matter how hard I pressed them to say so. Every single muslim is called to jihad by the koran, and they ALL know this.
I now give the one finger salute as I pass the local mosque, and I understand well that Michigan is lost...we will see calls for sharia there. Recently I was driving along with a friend in Dearborn, and she advised me heatedly NOT to look out the car window, as muslims in other cars would follow us and threaten us since we were not wearing hijabs!!!! Saginaw is ablaze as well.
THE TIME TO SPEAK UP IS NOW....we all need to sign a petition that we will or will NOT convert to Islam, and thus we bring these muslims out of their hiding places. If one of them throw his prayer rug down in front of me at an airport, I promise I will pat him on the shoulder as a good person would, comending him for his prayer....he must then get up and go ceremonially wash all over again, since a "PIG" or an "ape" infidel touched him. And I wil shake their hands as much as I can, showing them the real INFIDEL contact that is the hospitality of our country.....no amount of political correctness will save us.....and no one and no pressure is worth giving up my soul to these jihaddis.
#60Hey, comment number 55 calls themselves "enlightenment."
I REMEMBER OSAMA BRAGGING AND TAKING CREIT FOR THE 9-11 hijackings and destriction of the World Trade Centers, etc.
Your theories that muslims did not carry out 9-11 is a real doozy; didn't satan in the garden twist reality also?
#61The war on islamofascism must be fought militarily and won decisively. BUT THE TRUE VICTORY is won not only by the military, but in the ideological arena. We could win militarily, but the next generation coming up will again have to face this islamic threat until it is crushed ideologically. History proves this over and over.
My husband and I work tirelesly on the ideological war against islam.....and it's workers are tireless in their jihad against all other forms of thought.
I noticed recently that ALL of the online koran websites have deleted all refernces to things westerners would want to research..try typing into the online koran sites the word JIHAD, for example. It is one of the most common words in the koran, but the "search" yields not one sura or line about the subject. Three or four years ago, one could easily look into the koran on any subject, and the suras would appear. Try typing in the word KILL, or INFIDEL. Or, try PIG, or APE. The search always comes back, "No results found."
The Universities who host such websites most likley have no idea that only one slim (and palletable) version of the koran is being given on their sites. Those who wish to argue against islam, and those who wish to debate its claims, will need to resort to a hand-held koran.....(no need for gloves, unless you are at Guantanamo Bay.)
The window of time we presently enjoy for apologetics is closing fast. Those who wish to educate themselves better do so now, before even the semi-legitimate copies of the koran disappear from the bookshelves, and we have the brief and fully-watered-down versions.
My husband is a convert from islam to Christ, reads Arabic fluently, and he points out that even the best of the korans in English leave huge areas untranslated, visible on page after page.....whole blank areas appear instead of actual translations of the Arabic.
Every single mosque has what they call the "sword ceremony" EVERY SINGLE FRIDAY OF EVERY SINGLE YEAR where a sword is brought out and flashed around to whip the worshippers into a frenzy. All the muslims present know (and can never forget) that they are called to violent jihad.....
Your average, so-called moderate muslim knows that he/she, too must fight jihad one day or be killed, and do you really think he or she will throw their lot in with the pig and ape infidels? NO. They will fight the jihad, or be killed. Rwanda was a visual warning to all of us how such frenzies get out of hand......only an islamic one will be much bloodier.
IT IS PAST TIME TO WAKE UP NOW, and time to get those debates going NOW. There will come a day when no man can work any longer, and from my vantage point, it is just around the corner, from each and every one of us.
#62it must be made utterly clear that in so far as Islam is concerned, this violence is not a function of the Faith itself, as much as the media would have you believe. This is a misperception which has become rampant, but which should not be endowed with any validity, nor should it be accepted and given credibility. It is wrong and damaging. [Brown Univ. 1996]
-- Aga Khan IV
#63But Shahid, you know very well that Islamic leaders all over the world call on Muslims to commit violence, and you know that the vast majority of people who blow up planes, trains, busses, and restaurants, do it in the name of Islam.
#64When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! is thy lord able send down for us a table spread with food from Heaven? He said : Observe your duty to Allah, if ye are tru believer.
Quran
#65Shahid, way to not answer the question.
#66Shahid,
I would suggest you derive your quotes attributed to Jesus to the four Gospels in The Holy Bible , which is the proper, primary source, rather than the revisionist Quran.
Ah! but the Bible is not allowed in most Muslim countries.
#67The Talmud tells us that G-d obligated us not to rebel against the ruling bodies, and not to take the land of Israel by force (see Babylonian Talmud tractate Kesubos 111A).
can someone explain please.
#68It is OK to lie, steal, cheat, murder, and literally break any and all of the Ten Commandments of G-d (which they say they honor as coming from allah????) If one is muslim, and thinks he is "furthering islam," he has free license to do anything he likes, and since men are mini-gods, who decide whether or not their wives make it to Heaven, men have all the rights and NO responsibilities for their actions. Their whole ideology is idolatry. They are for anything and any law that promotes idolizing men (debasing women,) idolizing muhammad, idolizing their mosques (cannot shoot at one!!) They are experts at idolizing their sanctimonious ideology, idolizing imamas, who issue their fatwas, or their mullahs, or their caliphs, idolizing the koran (like it is God's Word, but they never read it)......They have SO many idols, including themselves, that God will judge them just on the First Commandment alone...He needs to go no further. They claim that allah is the arabic for G-d, but allah as revelaed in the koran is SATAN, not G-d.....since G-d never contradicts Himself....and He is Goodness, Beauty, Love and Truth,all four of which the koran lacks.
With an ideology that has such relativism at its core, there is no hope of discussing any subject rationally. Nor of hearing the actual truth out of them..Oh, to them that have eyes to see and ears to hear!!!
muslims love to come on various blogs and defend islam with their hyperboles, claiming that perversion, exists only in non-Muslim countries. WRONG.
Rape is rampant in muslim countries (they justify it, saying the woman was "adulterous," and women need four witnesses.) Theft and murder, idolatry, swearing, blasphemy, bearing false witness, are rampant in muslim countries, but these crimes are not reported, since islam does not allow "freedom" of the press...(it would be bad for the image of islam!!!) These crimes, however, are cited when a woman, or non-muslim is up for execution!!!!
They have their HUGE share of homosexuals, prostitution, etc etc. But they come here to the West (which they say they prefer!!!!) and pontificate like they have the moral highground. Oh, where is the vomit bag, please!!!!
PERVERSION BEGAN WITH MUHAMMAD, who went to hell once his Christian wife, Khadija died. His revelation and his actions were somehow "protected" by her mantle, as the Bible promises one's household will be saved if one of the family has faith.
But upon her death, muhammad "divinely sanctioned" such abhorrent institutions as polygamy, beheadings, blatant lies, horrific murders, justified stealings, war just for the sake of booty, violent jihads, and all sorts of other tactics proudly used by muslims today (check out the proudly displayed videos on the Internet for all the worold to learn.)
It is interesting that muhammad was the only prophet who broke every single Commandment, and called it a "religion."
It is in no way a religion, but an evil ideology formed by satan to justify killing every good person on the earth...NO LESS THAN THAT FINAL SOLUTION that was fomented upon the Jews has come full circle to every non-muslim.
We have yet to stand up and truly honor, value and welcome God's intervention in our affairs. God is letting us go this one ALONE, since we have pushed Him out of our daily lives.
It cannot stand as beneficial to mankind, as islam lacks the power of G-d. Their muslim prayers cannot produce or manufacture one little miracle...G-d only produces miracles when Jews and Christians pray.....proof the G-d of Israel, the G-d of Abraham, ISAAC AND JACOB, is G-D...NOT the anthropomorphic bloodthirsty allah. The muslims shall see their hatred of the G-d of Israel when it is finally too late for them to be saved.
I dare say, an eternally defining choice is at the doorstep of each and every person in this final battle between Good and evil. This I call the LAST DAYS...call it what you like.
#69Apparently Shahid Kinnare is a fake name, and he or she is lacking the courage (from the religion of islam) to write in a correct email address and name. //= 0; i=i-1){ if (l[i].substring(0, 1) == ' ') document.write("&#"+unescape(l[i].substring(1))+";"); else document.write(unescape(l[i])); } //]]> is a fake email address......
Why do I find this to be a pattern all over the Internet? Keep off this blog since your satanic ideology allows you to lie to our faces.
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#71Salmon Rushdie was forced into hiding by the religion of peace because he exposed the fact that Mohammed admitted to being possessed by Satan instead of God. (the Satanic Verses)
The question Rushdie then posed was, "What else did you tell your followers to do while inspired by the word of Satan?"
Jihad enables/commands all followers to break EVERY commandment for the glory of God. (or whomever was inspiring those words) Coincidence?
Also, to paraphrase a Chris Rock bit . . . when Isreali's are getting on a bus or sitting down at a cafe, they aren't worried about the MEDIA setting off a bomb.
#72First of I do not see Russian Muslim going to Isreal and blowing him up. It is only Palestine blowing themself up. So you cannot say muslim are blowing themself up Yes you can say palestine are blowing themself up.
This are few christain in history who have commited suicide Judas Iscariot (New Testment), Adolf Hilter, Ernest Hemingway. I can keep on going.
Mohammad was also christain before becoming Muslim and Jesus was Jew befor becoming Christain. Mohammad wife Khadijah become first mulsim after Muhommad, Second muslim in histroy is Ali Nephew of Muhommad.
When you talk about West world are talking about Christain Country Because their are some christain country in Africa and Asia.
Polygamy is also practise in USA ofcourse you have to go to only Christain state in USA UTAH.
In Islam Imam and Mullah who do not have any value. Just tell some muslim that you met Mullah Nassruddin and see him laughing. Imam and mullah do not have authority in islam like father and Pastor have in christainity. In islam six year old kid can become Imam and lead the prayer now that is called democary.
Even having ex-mulsim as your husband you need to learn much about islam as I only read your posting of what western Media (Christain Media) though you. There is saying that Answer to fool is quitness. And that the reason most of muslim do not come to side like this and answer I do not know why I am making fool of myself. I have not wrote any thing to hurt yours or any one else feelings.
#73The Arab nation never harmed the Jewish People until the advent of Zionist nationalism.
Rabbi Amram Blau
#74Dear Shahid,
Communicaton between people is essential to gain knowledge. Silence does nothing to educate or illuminate. Silence can be misinterpreted.
Permit me to illuminate you on a few points of Christian theology:
Jesus was never a Christian. He was born and he died, a Jew. Most of his followers were Jewish and those who accepted him as the Messiah (Christ) and followed his example were called Christians. At first these Christians considered themselves part of a Jewish sect until gentiles were permitted to follow the teachings of Jesus without having to convert to Judaism or observe Jewish traditions and law. This opened up the Word to all the world without having to abandon one's own nationality or traditions that were not in conflict with his teachings.
If Mohammad was indeed a Christian first, he could not have been a devout one. The Hadith attests that Mohammad rejects all the basic teachings of Jesus and became a warlord, polygamist, slaveholder, thief, and rapist. He forced conversions on pain of death, coerced people to murder others who disagreed or mocked him, and urged his followers to conquer lands and peoples (non-believers) by the sword.
This is not a man of peace and mercy. How can anyone follow such an individual?!!!
Jesus reduced the Ten Commandmants to the first two and added one of His own: Thou shalt love one another as I have loved you. (Meaning unconditionally.) He said that if we loved G-d and one another, then through His example and our self-discipline, we could go to the Father - although heaven is not guaranteed: it is through the Grace of G-d.
Jesus gave us one prayer (the Lord's Prayer, and as already stated, one commandment to add to the two in the Ten commandments.) This is all that is really required to be a Christian in addition to Baptism (for no one is born a Christian.)
Jesus' law is spiritual: Love G-d and one another and the rest will fall into place. We are to be self-disciplined and not obediant; we should turn to G-d through love, not force, for force only spawns hypocrites.
The Hadith and Sharia Law is a collection of draconian laws and regulations dictating every moment and aspect of life and activity from morning rise to sleeping; from brushing one's teeth and how to properly urinate; to how to dress, and what foods to eat; to how to deal with multiple wives and punish slaves. Islamic Law is harsh, legalistic and divides the world into them and us. If there was anything of merit in the Quran, it is negated by these two other sources.
While Mohammad fled his enemies, Jesus voluntarily faced his (although he believed we should love our enemies), was executed for no real reason, but managed to pardon his executioners and bring two thieves into the Kingdom. Jesus brought dignity to what could be termed as a humiliating situation. Mohammad had the example of Jesus' sacrifice but loved his worldly life too dearly and began a campaign of death and destruction for all those who opposed him after arriving in Medina.
Polygamy is outlawed in the United States. The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) has denounced the actions of a renegade sect, and Utah as well as the United States government, are breaking up these sects and arresting the leaders.
Suicide is banned in both Judaism and Christianity. The examples you cited are poor choices as they were not true Chistians. Suicide is the ultimate rejection of God and is usally a solitary act. Some cemeteries still will not allow suicides within their walls.
Hitler hated organized, orthodox religion and tried to instill his own brand of religion in order to justify his lust for power and subjugation of people.
But not one of those suicides you cited walked into a crowded wedding feast, school, marketplace, or onboard any mode of transport to include innocent people in the act,
A muslim martyr is proactive, a Christian martyr is passive.
A Muslim martyr is the murderer, the Christian martyr is the victim.
To say that anyone can become an Imam without any training or intellect speaks volumes. It generally takes six years of post-graduate work in order to become a rabbi or priest and they are overseen by their respective hierarchies and laity to conform to the values and laws of their respective sects.
The stories of Jesus as they are written in the Quran are fiction.
Please pick up a copy of The Holy Bible and read the Four Gospels for the words and deeds of Jesus. While you may reject His divinity, I dare you to find anything in His thoughts, words, or deeds to justify immoral behavior, murder or conquest.
It's about time that Muslims start to gain a better idea of the true beliefs of Jews and Christians from primary sources.
However, I'm not sure if there were religious freedom in most Islamic countries and freedom to access accurate information, how many Muslims would remain Muslims?
#75Thank you, A.M. Whittaker, for taking the time to answer thoroughly...I accept his (or her) admission that his (or her) email was faulty....however, I wonder if it were a mistake, since I see this SO OFTEN from muslims on the Internet.
There are many Christians right now in Saudi Arabia, and around the Muslim world who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior and yet have no access to baptismal fonts, etc. They are listening to Christian radio and TV and coming by the MILLIONS every month for further instruction. They sometimes hold prayer services with others with the TV programs on, but overall, they are in the closet, and have no access outside that closet due to ISLAMIC law and DEATH sentences for apostates.
Muslims blame Christianity for ANY AND ALL of the evils that happen in free societies...this way, they never have to examine the Bible....However, when we point out the terrorists evil, they always say they do not represent islam...nor does the Saudi Royal Family, Mubarak, King Hussein of Jordan, Sirhan Sirhan, the killer of RFK, or the various assassins as well as the soul-less homicide bombers...or the very lovely master beheader and torturer, zarqawi, or moqtada the awesome great, or the sublimely gentle khomeini....or the freedom-loving hatemi, or the merciful mass murderer, hafez assad, or, hey, charismatic arafat?? OL' ARAFAT DIED WITH BILLIONS HE STOLE FROM HIS OWN POVERTY STRICKEN people. OH, excuse me, he came from Egypt, so I guess he had no loyalty to the Palestinians....
Or, let me ask, is there a Somali Islamist you like? How about Bin Laden? Or the Chechen women terrorists who killed babies? Or maybe you like those Pakistani men who do nothing but manufacture guns to kill others as a way to promote their so-called religion? Let me think....maybe you would say that the ultra-wealthy in UAE and Bahrain are the real examples of islamic leaders, or maybe there are some Albanian militia you like.....or maybe you like CAIR, the cover for violent Hamas in the US? I am stumped.
May I ask you, Shahid, WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE MUSLIM LEADER THESE DAYS? Who IS an example of Islam to you? PLEASE TELL ME, because I cannot find one who I respect.
I saw plenty of Hajj who cheat people, lie, steal, and commit adultery....they are the epitomy of hypocrisy...and are no different than our Christian ministers who engage in evils. But islam has no perfect sinless savior, and thus has no life, nor power to heal, to create, or to love.
Look how many hangings and state executions there are in islamic countries? Is Shahid going to say that muslims countries have no crime, and no sin? Oh, please. AND THEN, WE COME TO SADDAM, great example of universal tolerance and love. How many hundreds of thousands of his henchmen killed innocent muslim women and children with their own bare hands, after raping them, etc? And burne tehm alive in boiling oil? Or showered them with chemical weapons in experiments that made Hitler look like a boy scout? Or marched them into their desert graves?
How many good muslims did this to other good muslims? I heard not one muslim outcry when all this was happening. I am wondering where this so-called majority of moderate muslims exists? SILENCE IS COMPLICITY.
Shahid....please tell all of us which city you live in? I wonder if you are in Le France? Or better yet, Britain? That would explain your European/muslim views on Christianity to me.
Have you ever known a Christian up close? I have known many many muslims, and I know that they express their doubts about islam to each other, and their complaints about it to each other, but never to outsiders, as that is a sin. I know you have doubts which you would not express except to another muslim....
I wish you enlightenment and may you (with YOUR WHOLE HEART)seek, ask, and knock, for the real God of Truth, Beauty and Love to come to you....may you meet Jesus soon, and I wish you Life Eternal through His Salvific Blood. It is available as full payment for your sins if you simply pray and ask Him to come into your heart, and be Lord of your life.
If you would take the time, Shahid, to read the words of Jesus Christ, (though I know you have been brainwashed to believe we Christians changed the Bible to delete muhammad's name) you would be ABLE TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELF IF GOD spoke THEM OR NOT.
#76Shahid, you say:
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HOWEVER, YOU CONTINUE TO TYPE IN THE FAKE ADDRESS WHENEVER YOU POST. Isn't that indicative of something?
#77Islam in Fast Demise
In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity ...
www.faithfreedom.org
PLease check this out, Shahid
#78I will try to answer each and every question that you ask with reason. Some time I can not answer as fast as you would like but I would try.
Muslim leader you should check out is Prince Karim Aga Khan.
Islam does not allow Suicide either It is very unfourtunate the Palestine has taken this Path but it is their war what can I say.
Religous teacher in Islam are allowed because you are told to find you own path because God leaves in you heart and will guid you.
In Muslim country people do commit all type of sin and they are punsih in different countries differently Just like there different punishment in Christain Country.
You have written very bad thing about Son of God Muhommed but you have not quoted any book or Hadith attribute were we can confirm what you have written.
I do not think that you, even Priest have authority to say that some one is not christain. if Ernest Hemmingway say he was Christain so he was christain. Who are you or I to dispute the fact.
Polygamy is not outlaw in Utah you can write to Governer Office and confirm. Yes they are trying to out law but they just could not passed it yet.
Ms Winter only think you have is hate in heart open up your self I will teach you love through Christianty, Islam and Judaism. I love all three religion. my wife is Jew.
Trust me You have not seen the beautifully side of Islam. Have ever seen how christainty is practice in Pakistan or Etophia. One brother would be christain so other would Mulsim. And most place and would seat togehter pray. Do not go on media say they are big liar.
Which Christain Leader do you Like? becouse I can not find any that I like?
Saddam Hussain was a Paid employe of American CIA Of course you do not want to talk about CIA and what it does in this third world countries.
When you are talking Bible which bible you are talking about King James version or orthodox Bible that Russian christain read or some other version. In quran there is only nice thing written about christian. In quran God confrim that Mary was virgin and thier should be no dispute about it.
Well you telling me to read some nice thing about christian how about you doing the same. Reading some good book about Islam. Anne Marie SCHIMMEL is good writer I cannot suggest any muslim writer book because they would not be available in our closed society where we know more about basketball then our neighbour.
#79St. Patrick’s Cathedral is a Roman Catholic cathedral which lies on Shahrah-e-Iraq, formerly known as Clarke Street, located near the Empress Market in Karachi, Pakistan.
The first church in Sindh (except for possibly one in Thatta) was initially built on the grounds of this cathedral in 1845, and was called St. Patrick’s Church. It was in April 1881 that the present cathedral was opened, since the Christian community grew in number, and the need for a larger place of worship became apparent. Despite the construction of the new building, the little church continued to function until it was destroyed by a storm in 1885.
The present-day cathedral is built in Gothic style; it measures 170 ft by 75 ft, and has the capacity to accommodate at least 1,500 worshippers at the same time. It was designed by three members of the Society of Jesus: Father Wagner, Brother Kluver and Brother Lau.
The Gazetteer of the Province of Sindh provides a description of the cathedral:
"Its exterior is not ornamental, though striking from a distance, but money and art have been lavished on the interior. The chancel, itself spacious, acquires a special impressiveness but its additional height, while the noble contours of the aspiring altar are seen to the best advantage. The whole interior is painted in oil and the windows are all of stained glass, the members of the congregation."
Today, the cathedral's grounds are adorned with a marble monument of Christ the King, which was constructed in 1931 to commemorate the memory of the Jesuit Mission in Sindh.
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#80Vik Comments # 13 are you sure Iraqi are doing it or our CIA is doing the job for them.
#81Osama bid laden visited White House of Mr Reagan when he was supported and train by US Administration to fight a Christain Country called Soviet Union.
#82Ms Winter Comments # 77 do I care I wish it demise yesterday. We will fight some else to fight over. How about killing more Red Indians or how killing some Catlohic.
#83"Can I sell you six million Jew in USA" This are the word of Franklin Roosevelt while meeting Stalin in Yalta. Can some one explain.
#84Shadhid,
First, Ernest Hemmingway himself, renounced religion, one needs only to read his biography.
While many of the Russian people are very spiritual, the Soviet Union was officially an athiestic nation. Religious worship was considered anti-establishment although some marriages and naptisms still took place because of tradition, rather than faith. Many churches and synagogues were destroyed or converted to other uses. Soviet Jewry tried for decades to leave the Soviet Union since they were not permitted to worship and no one could study to become a rabbi. As late as 1987. my personal Holy Bible was confiscated by Soviet customs. So your idea that the Soviet Union was a Christian country is entirely false. That is why President Reagan called it an, "Evil empire".
I'm not sure you were referring to me or Ms. Winter concerning Mohammad (Ms. Winter and I are two different people). I referred to Mohammad's biography words, and actions as contained in the Hadith as well as Sharia Law. I pointed out that whatever merit there was in the Quran, was negated by these other two sources, which actually dictate Islamic life. Perhaps it is you, who should read the Hadith and study Sharia Law rather than have me start to list everything; I simply don't have that sort of time and the space here is too limited.
It does not matter to me how beautiful the sentiments of the Quran are: It is the effect it has on its followers that is the real test. Muslims seem to pay more attention to the Hadith and Sharia rather than Quran.
And the passages concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph are all fictitious. The revisionist history and conclusions of the Old testament as interpreted by the Quran is fictitious.
The Holy Bible has been translated into the vulgate of each society and era. Except for an addition in the Bible of the Roman Catholic Church, the contents are the same, but in different languages. These translations are the result of the Protestant Reformation. Religious authorities are always striving to get the translations correct through scholarship and extensive research. Therefore the King James version is just as valid as the Holy Bible used by the Eastern or Greek Orthodox Churches and the Revised Standard version. All Christian authorities agree that each Holy Bible contains everything needed for salvation.
I have been told by my Muslim friends and neighbors that even the Quran, Hagith, and Sharia Law are subject to interpretation. These different interpretations as well as claims as to who should have taken over after the death of Mohammad are what separates the Islamic community. to this day.
While we have differences within the Christian community, they pale over the differences and actions of the Islamic community. Christians are not killing one another in the name of G-d.
You write:
Religous teacher in Islam are allowed because you are told to find you own path because God leaves in you heart and will guid you.
So Islam has no real central authority or checks and balances on those who preach? Religous teachers of all ages, backgrounds and scholarship (or none) in Islam are allowed because you are told to find you own path because God lives in you heart and will guide you.
This is very dangerous and is probably the reason there is so much strife and division amongst Muslims. Do-your-own-thing religion can simply justify one's own agenda which may or may not be G-d given or inspired. How would any ordinary person discern which Imam is correct and true to the Quran?
I did not come to my opinions through cultural or political means. It is only by living amongst Muslims that I have recently learned about their beliefs and I have been given a Quran, Hadith, and websites containing Sharia Law.
I have read all three and I find them frightening.
Polygamy is NOT lawful in Utah and not sanctioned by the Mormons (although it was originially part of their religion and they were persecuted for this). This was one of the points that set them apart from American/Christian society and they had a revelation that this practice must end. It was then that the Mormons were able to assimilate into American society as law-abiding citizens. It is the so-called fundamentalist Mormons that have rejected the teaching of the true and accepted LDS Church who are barricading themselves into these lawless communities and practicing polygamy and forcing young girls into marriage. The LDS is still not part of the mainstream Christian community, but they are not being murdered for their religious beliefs by mainstram Christians.
I have no hate in my heart toward anyone and I have not advocated the destruction of any nation or group of people.
But I will defend my faith and country from being conquered by Islam.
#85I think you mean Hadith and Sunna. Shariah Law has nothing to do with Muhammad. Hadith are saying of Muhammad. and Sunna are pratice of Muhammad. Ismailies and many other denomination do not take any of it seriously.
Just like bible has effect on our life sameway I am sure Quran has effect on muslim. And that is called religion. Most of us in USA come across Sunni Arab pratice which does not represent Islam as whole.
Ali is regartted bigger than Muhammed in some society of Islam. Teaching of Ali is very important in this Society which even some time Sunni muslim do not know. Islam you realy need to know is Suffism or Ismailies.Read writing of some one like Rumi.
"Work is not what people think it is. It is not just something which, when it is operating, you can see from outside". Rumi
Ernest Hemmingway did renounce his religion and thats exactly my point. Thanks I knew your answer.
I am sure you do not want me to write about Catholic Church and thier history. And thier outlook against christain and Jew and the role they play in killing of Jews in world war II in europe.
This excalty I am trying to tell reader in this blog it is very easy to hate. But please do not hate just because you do not know. Media is big liar. I am just a small person in this big world. Only thing I am trying to learn is how to love my fellow human being Please pray for me that Jesus would fullfil my dream. Amen!
#86I also meant Sharia Law.
While I am not a Roman Catholic, the actions of the Pontiffs in the past four decades have brought about theology and attitudes based on the teachings of Jesus.
The fact that the Popes from Paul VI to the present have made great efforts to heal the wounds of two millenia created by the leaders of the Church and clarify their present and future position, has made me respect them more.
We here on earth now, are not responsible for that which has ocurred in the past; we are responsible for what occurs in the present and to lay a foundation of peace for the future. We can acknowlege past transgressions, learn from them, and make sure they do not happen in the future.
So the discussison of what has happened in the past is not as relevant as what we are prepared to do now to insure peace and freedom for all people in the future. If we start pointing fingers, it should be pointed toward ourselves.
The Christian community has renounced its past transgressions. No such apology has emanated from the Muslims for the transgessions against Christians and Jews. The Muslim community is not even renouncing present transgressions and is using the past as justification. They believe they can do no wrong.
That is the quandary and stumbling block.
Sharia Law and much of about the life of Mohammad is not compatible with Judeo-Christian ethics, morals, and law. Until the Islamic community makes an honest assessment of its past transgressions, renounces that which was in error, tries to make amends, and is able to co-exist with and abide by the laws and culture of the respective nations in which Muslims live, there can be no peace.
#87Shahid, you do not answer questions, and you only attack my character to avoid answering. You answer a few questions with other attacks, and since I know that muslims have no desire or habit of self-reflection, and would rather die than admit their own shortcomings, I am leaving this long-winded discussion to others. I guess you do not have to fear the terrorists in your back yard.maybe some of them will be convicned you are an OK muslim, if you just participate in jihad somehow...maybe with your money??? Or you could point to these blogs and say, "See, I have done my part to promote islam!!" Maybe in your religion of salvation by works, and by personal effort, you can convince allah to save you.....but the God of Israel, I don't claim to know what He will do with you. They are NOT the same God, by the way......
I certainly have seen the so-called "good side" of Islam. Half my huge family is muslim. I have spent plenty of time in Egypt, Turkey and Iraq........the socities I saw are full of miserable people, convincing themselves thatn whatever lot they have in life is allah's will. I watched such things as a family turn around and walk back into a housefire they could not escape from, rather than jump from a balcony, because IT WAS ALLAH'S WILL. I watched the forced labor of orphans building the international airstrip in Cairo.....I saw MANY muslims begging on roadsides because they were simply handicapped...I saw the poor living in cardboard boxes because there is no welfare system other than the family, and the family was killed by saddam. I saw plenty in Turkey as well. I saw the huge prison in Dyarbekir where screams of political prisoners can be heard and where many muslims set themselves on fire and died rather than endure their torturers.
I saw poverty of spirit and I saw poverty of education....I saw that boys can beat up their sisters and no one says a word. I saw that girls are hanged as a matter of course, or killed in so-called "honor killings" without any proof that they were guilty, and the perpetrators stood there watching......I SAW THIS. So don't try to tell me about the wrongs you see in the USA. And do not tell me I have not seen the "good side" of islam.....what is the good side, please? Never mind......don't answer that. I'm outta here.
You said nothing about where you live......I would bet you are from CAIR, or some group that assigns people like you to get on the Internet. Outwarddly you ACT peaceful but in your heart you harbor alot of hate yourself...I see it in your complaints about Christians and your retorts.......but you are aertful at smoothing it out for the unlearned.
I see that A>M> Whittaker is willing to go on and answer your claims one by one, because Christiainity has nothing to fear in debates.
You apparently are Shiia, and I suppose you would like to tell the audience about how Khomeini is one i a long line of Imams who had the presence of God living in him, and he is called HOLY. This concept is fairly recent, in the last 300 years, to Shiia islam, and it was adopte because the Shiias could not offer anything to match the Presence of God in Christ. Shiia religion has had to sup0ercede muhammad with Ali, because muhammad was an arab supremacist....and his arab caliphs killed Ali.....so your (apparent) religion is NOT CONSIDERED ISLAM BY ANY OF THE SUNNIS, AND YOU GUYS ARE NEXT ON THE HIT LIST OF INFIDELS
after Jews and Christian apes and pigs.
If you think it is hateful to speak this way, without nicey nicey politically correct slogans, you are wrong. jesus called the hypocrites "whited sepulchres" and He was unwilling to become politically correct, which is really another version of idolatry. Truth is by nature going to be LOVING, since it will strengthen you where you are weak and weaken you where you are strong....paradoxically making you fit for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Shahid I find it preposterous that you would claim to teach me about the love of Jesus....there is no love in the Koran and anything you know about freedom, democracy, love, truth, beauty, honesty (????) and faith comes from the King of Kings Himself, Jesus Christ, not from muhammad.
I am shaking the dust off my feet and going elsewhere.....I wish you futility in your islam, and frustration in your practise of it, and failure in the pushing of its control mechanisms on everyone else.
#88Comment # 86 Whittakar You are so wrong when you say the we christain Community should or have renounce our past aggression against Jews. I will quote from bible and if you do believe in it then I will assume you are not christain.
Salvation is from the Jew (John 4:22)
you will not see me until you (the Jew)say, 'Blessed is he (Jesus) that come in the name of the lord (Matthew 23:39)
You see we do not have the way out until either every Jew is converted to Christainty or killed. You think does learned people in vatican are fools.
#89Your theology is quite faulty and you have taken scripture out of context.
As this is not the forum for a Christian theological discussion, I do not know your background, and it appears you have limited scholarship in Christian theology, I shall not invest any more time in this.
Peace be unto you.
#90Shahid,
You posted a website on reply #21 of the Anti-Cindy Sheenhan thread that has nothing to do with the topic.
While I understand that you were trying to give a clue to your background and I appreciate learning about new philosophies and people, this does not sway me.
Since you have already quoted the Holy Bible (New Testament), I shall end our discussion with the following concerning your Aga Khan:
Matthew 24:11 Matthew 24:24 2Peter 2:1
You wrote in #88 on this thread:
You see we do not have the way out until either every Jew is converted to Christainty or killed. You think does learned people in vatican are fools.
This is an outrageous statement! It is this sort of pronouncement that Muslims use to justify the murder of Jews and the destruction of Israel.
That is not Christian or G-dly.
You have shown your true colors: You are a Judeophobe.
I will pray for you but I do not wish to converse with you again.
#91do not assume who am I; Just know that I know more about Christainty, Islam and Judaism than most of you. And trust me I do not want to sway you. Christainty is the most beatiful religion on this planet let me say on this galaxy.
The Arab nation never harmed the Jewish People until the advent of Zionist nationalism.
Rabbi Amram Blau
And this Rabbi know more than you know
Trust me within an hour I can prove you through Bible, Quran, Torah, and from learned of three religion that what happening between Isreal and Palestine has nothing to do with Christainty, Islam and Jews.
Do you know according Torah it is sin for Jew to go to Isreal. Because Messiah (King) will come and he will take them to Isreal call any Rabbi and ask him if this is true. If you want Contact for Rabbi send me email and I will send you several. Do not blind your self with hatered
#92Just know that I know more about Christainty, Islam and Judaism than most of you.
Dude, you don't even know how to spell the names of the things you're talking about. Your misspelling, "Christainty", isn't a typo - it's repeated in several posts you've made in this thread. And you don't even know how to spell "Israel."
Shahid, you've been posting lots of quotes with no links to them. If you post a quote, good blogging practice is to provide a link so people can verify whether the quote is correct.
Do you know according Torah it is sin for Jew to go to Isreal.
That is silly. I challenge you to document that right now, with links to document anything you quote. And if you quote an authority, don't quote some Jihadist nutjob.
It seems like you may have just moved to America, and like you may still believe all the nonsense you were taught in some other country. I think your participation here may be a sign that you are in fact willing to learn something. What country did you grow up in?
#93Shahid, I just reread your comment #88:
You see we do not have the way out until either every Jew is converted to Christainty or killed.
That's despicable.
A.M. is right - from her post #90:
It is this sort of pronouncement that Muslims use to justify the murder of Jews and the destruction of Israel.
That is not Christian or G-dly.
You have shown your true colors: You are a Judeophobe.
#94It so sad that every one curse me just because I have different view. I have post lots of quotes and have ask lot of question but none of you answer but only critize me.
Christainity Happy now
Let come to your Challenge I will quote few Rabbi and few verse from Torah. And I am sure you will have question and I will answer them too. Ofcourse researching this Rabbi and Torah verses upto you if you do not find what I am writing then come back blame me.
Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld
"The Jews do not want to take in any way that which is not theirs, and they certainly do not want to contest the rights of the other inhabitants to the places held by them which they regard with honor and consider holy. And in particular there is not foundation to the rumor that the jews want to acquire the Temple Mount. On the contrary from the time that because of our sins, we have been lacking the prurity required by the Torah, It is forbidden for any Jew to set foot upon the grounds of Temple Mount".
Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik
"The Jewish People suffered many Plagues The Sadducees, Karaites, Hellenisers, Shabbesai Zvi, haskalah, Reform and many others. But the strongest of them all is Zionism".
Rabbi Ben Zion Halberstam of Bobov
"For behold in our times there have arisen irresponsible men, who throw of the yoke of Torah and mitzvos and conice the Jewish pople to be like all the nations, to build themselves and independent government, and they pretend that this is the ultimate redemption. But it is ovvious and know the they speak falsely, and that their way is the complete antithesis of the Torah... see the Targum on Shir Hashirim 8:4. 'The King Moshiach will say , I adjure you, my people, house of Isreael, why do you fight with the people of the land, to leave exile? Wait a little more and the master of the world will recall the love of the righteous ones and it will be his will to redeem you' and this is based on the Gemora in Kesubos (111a) That Hakodosh Baruch Hu made the Jewish people swear not to force the end."
Now do you need more fatwa from Rabbi. Now do you want me quote more from Torah or is it enough as quote by this Rabbis. Now would you answer some of my question that ask in my pervious Posting. Like emialing me Isreal constitution Oh you want me to spell it right Israel. Oh there is not one, Country has democray but does have constitution wonder why?
Please do not blind yourself with hatered What happening between Israel and Palstenie has nothing to do with christainity, Islam, and Judaism.
#95Your Answer to comment #93
Salvation is from the Jew (John 4:22)
you will not see me until you (the Jew)say, ‘Blessed is he (Jesus) that come in the name of the lord (Matthew 23:39)
#96Shahid,
1) It's up to you to provide links to your quotes. If you don't then we can't tell if you fabricated them or misinterpreted them.
2) You must retract and apologize for your statement in #88 that you want all Jews to be killed or to convert to another religion. If you don't I have nothing more to say to you; additionally, if you don't, I may ban you from this site.
#97I have quoted with the name of Rabbi and verse from Torah Now you prove me wrong. By doing your own research.
I have only quoted what Holly Bible say they are not my saying. I do not want to convert any one or Kill any one I was just trying to make you understant people hate each other without any reason.
As far as banning me form the side is upto you. I think I have postively contributed you know that when I am on muslim blog I challeged them as much as I have challeged your members. And some is true when I am on Jews blog. I can read and write Hebrew, Arabic and English.
So if you do not want to be challenged Go ahead your lost not mine. I would only say that you are myopic.
#98You have to provide a link on the Internet to your quote. Otherwise we can't tell if you made it up or misinterpreted it. Don't ask us to do your research for you.
And you can't even spell "Holy Bible." Your interpretation of it is silly.
#99In response to Daud, #22, neglecting, or choosing not to follow what muhammad commanded muslims to do does not change a thing about Islam, but following the example of Mohammed is the path with which every Muslim is assured with a seat in Paradise,“Verily in the apostle of allah you have the best example for everyone who looks forward towards allah and the day of Judgment” (KORAN 63:21)
Then, sahih muslim, hadith number 5818, (Translation by abdulla hamid siddiqi,) we see, “Avoid that which I forbid you to do and do that which I command you to do to the best of your capacity." muhammad is the model for ALL muslims to follow, and the history of his jihads against arabs and Jews and Christians is well documented in the koran and the hadith, and by the historical classical muslim scholars.
The koran says that all who do not participate in [violent] jihad are not true muslims, and are to be counted with the infidels...a woman's jihad may consist of having many children she can offer to the jihad, an old man may convey money to support jihad, but the militarily capable must participate, and where necessary, give their blood.
This is THE REASON the terrorists consider themselves TRUE muslims and they can so easily justify their murders of civilians. It is because they have Koranic bases for saying the mass of civilians in muslims countries (like Iraq) are NOT TRUE MUSLIMS. If they were TRUE MUSLIMS, they would be fighting alongside them in the trenches.Even if they happen to kill TRUE MUSLIMS, the terrorist say they will go to paradise as martyrs, so it really doesn't matter...
They go and get their little sanctioning fatwas, and proceed to become the ugliest most murderous, and crazed actors in their self-styled violent jihads...zarqawi's empty, crazed look in a few short years, came from so many bloody beheadings he was only too happy to conduct himself. The only comparable thing like it I have seen on earth is the dead look in a shark's eyes. There should be an oscar given for the best example of islam each year, because they sure do compete for it worldwide.
Who knows? Maybe there are rewards and honors given within Bin Laden's little circle for just such deeds....after all, does anyone remember how much zarqawi wanted to become a "recognized" member of al-qaeda? That was important to him....he needed the recognition of men, as allah's was not "enough" for him.
These ARE the TRUE MUSLIMS, according to the koran and hadith, according to muhammad's example. Every single muslim knows this is the case, and knows that one day these same people will come for him unless he gets his act together and participates NOW in jihad.THIS IS THE GREAT THREAT OF UNASSIMILATED muslims in the West.
muhammad left the ugliest and blodiest example of ANY founder of an ideology...and, as I cited above, all muslims must follow it if they are to get to Paradise.
Even marx, whose writings led to more than a billion deaths, and even hitler did not personally leave such an ugly, horrific example as a human being......muhammad's own hand in attacking caravans, in slaughtering and beheading whole Jewish communites, raping and enslaving others' wives, daughters, women he fancied, and children. After all, if one views his enemies as pigs and apes, it is easier to slaughter them and behead them...
muhammad was physically active in blood feuds, in manipulating others into wars, and slaughtering his enemies by means of lies, promises, and then robbing them and forcing their conversions (to himself!!) His personal torturing of his enemies surpasses the personal example of such heinous people as hitler and saddam. Even mao, whose edicts led to the slaughter of hundreds of millions, did not love to do the killings HIMSELF. BUT SOMEHOW THE muslim tyrants love to engage in it with their very own hands, over and over and over.
The tyrant greats of islam far surpass the world's bloodiest leaders, and the muslim tyrnts carry their sins as the most depraved examples of tyrants, bloodthirst, and torture unknown in any other cultures.
As Dennis Miller mused, "There is no such phrase as life is too short" in islam.
#100I chanllege any muslim to show me word Jihad in Quran.
#101Rabbi Amram Blau – Judas Goat
This man has been mentioned a couple of times to represent Jewish opinion. He was a major leader in the Neturei Karta movement.
Of the over thirteen million Jews throughout the world, his philosophy represents the sentiments of .03% of all Jews. He and his ultra-orthodox lunatic fringe have perverted the Talmud. They have been condemned by every major Jewish organization and religious body, even those that had at one time aligned with Neturei Karta.
They are unable to assimilate into any society,
With their active support of Yasser Arafat, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Louis Farrakhan. the members of Neturei Karta are tantamount to Nazi collaborators and sympathizers.
And this is called a viable source to support your view?
#102The word jihad appears in arabic all over the pages of the koran..it has many meanings and applications.....please open to the index.
Most muslims who hide behind fake names and blog on the Internet do not even know the koran, and/or they deny what it contains, in the effort to confuse us all....well, there are plenty of korans out there and the Americans are never easy to convince or confuse.
Shahid, (if that is your real name) please answer the question I asked you in responding to the email you sent me.
You only ask rhetorical questions, give no answers, and truthfully, I am not interested in the type of person who is all about escape and evasion in dialogue, attack and run after "monologuing" us all....this is the mark of an arab, for sure.....no answers coming from your end at all....nor are you interested in the answers coming from us.....there is none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE.
#103Shahid (if that is your real name) the word jihad appears in the koran all over.....try looking at one, please. You might try the index, since the term jihad has the biggest number of pages in the index compared to any other word in the koran.
#104Shahid (if that is your real name) open the koran to the back, to what is called the index....the word jihad appears there and has more notations and citings in the koran than any other single word........by the way, you will not find the word LOVE in that index, nor in the koran.
#105Those who spend ( of that which Allah Hath Given them)in ease and Adversity those who control thier wrath and are forgiving to toward Mankind Allah loveth the good.
Al-Imran verses 134
Please do not challenge me you already lost many time. May peace be with you.
#106We are talking in english not arbic so please quote word jihad with verses just do not say it is thier Please quote it with Ayat and verses number in English. and if you no longer want to converse in english please let me know. Please quote the verse in english with its number. Please Please. A hint
I have had a great struggle with my sister, and I have won." So she named him Naphtali.
Genesis 30:7-9
#107Hetred won't get you guys anywhere. Stop with the arguing and start with the conversing.
#108#88 Salvation is from the Jew (John 4:22)
This is a misquote. The actual quote (King James Bible) is:
"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship; for salvation is of the Jews."
Not only that, the person saying it is Jesus, and the context points out that Jesus is Jewish:
John 4:6 - Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
7. There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9. Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? For the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
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21. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship; for salvation is of the Jews.
It sounds to me like Jesus is saying salvation comes from the Jews.
In any case, #88 is a misquotation.
#109We are talking in english not arbic so please quote word jihad with verses just do not say it is thier Please quote it with Ayat and verses number in English. and if you no longer want to converse in english please let me know. Please quote the verse in english with its number.
The Arabic word, "jihad," would not appear in an English translation. It would be translated, of course, into English.
#110Thats Right and when you read Holy Bible in arbic the word is use is Jihad.
#111Your are wrong. Here is link for you to it check out. I like you doing your home work, Great!
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%204:22&version=31
22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
#112That's not the King James version; it's some version they call the "New International Version." In the context, which I quoted, it sounds like the Bible is saying that salvation comes from the Jews. The passage is certainly not pejorative to the Jews.
#113Shahid kinnare, I greatly appreciate your courage in comming to a site like this and stating your views. It can't be easy to argue against many people at once.
The problem as I see it, is that the quran has been re-written by some of the greatest poets in Arab history. Many Arabs are so seduced by it flowery words that they think it's the true word of G-d that cannot be altered or re-interpreted.
Unfortunately Shahid, unlike the new testament the quran has no substance, there is absolutely nothing that can be learned from this book. The religion of Islam was created by Mohammed so that he could put himself at it's centre, this is why he has been called a narcissist. As far as I know no other prophet has come to the people and claimed "God has revealed to me a new religion, it's called Islam". God doesn't reveal religions! LOL!
Anyway, Mohammed WAS revealed to Christians in the New Testament and his coming was foretold.
The relevant verse in the Bible is Matthew 7:15-7:16.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits
We know Mohammed by his fruits, don't we Shahid?
Christians also commited brutal acts over the centuries, killing each other and people of other faiths. But Western Society is the result of Christians become closer to Christ and following his example. The more we become closer to Jesus the more compassionate, tolerant and forgiving we become. It was Jesus who said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" refering to the punishment of stoning to death for adultery.
Muslims who follow their religion more closely become dangerous murderers! Shahid, don't you find it ironic that when a Christian behaves badly the people around him wish that he was more "christian", and when a muslim behaves badly people around him wish that he was more "secular"?
Ye shall know them by their fruits, Shahid. Don't forget that.
#114In response to #105, the translations of the koran into English DO use the word love, but all muslims, when WE quote the English versions tell us these are not accurate translations and that anything but the arabic is not the true koran...This is how arabic muslims get around answering any and all of us..I put this right back to you...
The English translations, as well as the Farsi, the Spanish, the Danish, etc. korans are all done without accuracy, but with an eye to converting the non-muslims. These translations are not true to the arabic in many suras, and only the arabic is accepted as accurate in islam...SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING US TO BELIEVE YOUR English QUOTE? It is not an accurate translation.
I say again, there is NOT the word love in the koran as we know it, other than to refer to the sexual sort of "love" a man has for his wife.
Before you quote us a non-koran, please remember that allah is a transcendant being and has NOTHING TO DO WITH MANKIND....NOT HERE OR IN PARADISE. allah does not love mankind, according to islamic doctrine....allah is so far above mankind, according to islam, that he could not even give his revelation directly to man or speak with muhammad...he had to give it to gabriel, who recited it to muhammad.
Muslims adopt every lofty notion associated with Judaism and Christianity, and claim it can be found in the koran. They will lie if need be about islam....If the concept is not there, be sure the next translation of the arabic will include it as "an accurate translation." This is SIMPLY A PLOY to defeat non-Muslims in debate. Shahid, we are interested in HONESTY.
The ONLY notion in the koran and hadith even remotely associated with the word love is an arabic word for the sexual relationship (like we say making love) between a husband and wife....and certainly allah cannot have that kind of love, or HE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A SON. shocker
You are on a slippery slope now making use of a translation into English (which is in no way considered the koran.) You quote this non-koran as it posits our general word "love."
Allah may "look kindly" upon mankind,(which by the way, is only msulims, since the rest of us are apes and pigs.) For MUSLIMS to translate looking kindly upon muslims as "LOVE" is RIDICULOUS. Of course, we read in the hadith that allah had no "kindness" whatsoever for black people, for non-muslims, for the pigs and apes that are Christians and Jews.
We in the West would not consider such a partisan, exclusionary, anthropomorphic allah as being very "loving." AND YOU KNOW IT...THIS is how YOU HOPE TO USE OUR CONCEPTS of unconditional love against us, in such NON-ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS.
"Love" is simply is not an appropriate attribute of allah, according to islamic doctrine. It does not even appear as one of the 100 names of allah........try changing that for me, please. You are changing the words of the koran,and you are attributing to allah a characteristic of a man which is blasphemy, and I would think that blasphemy for the sake of spreading islam is quite a contradiction. allah cannot be compared to a man in any way, including love.
Why is a muslim is expected to lead such a moral life here, but has every indecency and immoral practise promised and afforded to him (AS A GOOD, desirable INSTITUTION) in the life hereafter? HOw is it alcohol is bad here, but good there? How about man's lust and continuous sex with virgin after virgin, and homosexual boys as often as the muslim man desires,etc. etc? Isn't this an immoral paradise?
It certainly is NOT PARADISE for the women and boys being subjected to the muslim men. Oh, excuse me, the jihaddi men are the only ones worthy of "paradise" anyway.
#115A note to post #41:
Your heart may be in the right place, but you cannot extend to islam the niceties of assuming they share our values, and say every culture has its "freaks." These muslim "freaks" as you call them, are supported by nearly 75% of all muslims polled in the US and Europe.
All cultures have their freaks, TRUE. But when we see the muslim on the street overseas, we see fully 10% or more are radicalized "freaks." This means there are MILLIONS of radical "freaks." This is why it is a problem....there are millions and millions of jihaddis out there, and guess what....we have broken borders. I do not see anything even comparable in any other ideology that produces such freaks.....but I do see the reasons for it in the koran and hadith...in muhammad's example. Yes, indeedy I do.
Your comments show that you know little about islam, which is OK, but the question is, do you want to know the truth? You have to go to their written documents and BOOKS.
You write:
Look, I agree with what you guys are saying here for the most part, but I just want to say that we can’t let ourselves view all Muslims negatively. We all know that it is only a few Muslims who are “out to get us and our way of life”. And this is a very real thing. But all cultures have their “freaks”, and we can’t let them alter how we view the rest of the people in an entire culture. Hitler was a Christian, right?
I just wanted to throw that out there
When we discuss a religion or a political manifesto, we GO TO THE WRITTEN VERSION........ trying to talk to the muslim at the gas station, or the one next door is fruitless for YOUR understanding islam.
Each muslim is raised with an oral, folk version of islam and he will argue you to death denying this or that is true, or whether it even appears in the koran. Even my husband's half of the family refuses to believe that muhammad ever committed a sin, though the koran says that he did....they refuse to believe that he started jihads, or that he beheaded Jews, destroying their communities, killing and raping their children and wives....They will not discuss anything that contradicts their safe little folk version....they refuse to open a koran for fear that they would have to make a choice A LIFE CHOICE about their muslim world view.
Thus, when we in scholarly circles discuss islam, Judaism, or Christianity, we do not look at those who CLAIM to be adherents, (Hitler was not a Christian!) We lust, for the sake of accuracy, examine what THE HOLY BOOKS SAY.
The koran is the point we discuss when debating a muslim, and 99% of them are shockingly ignorant of what it says......they may know a few verses, but most of what they believe is islam is what was adopted in past centuries as good doctrine from Judaism and Christianity. Most muslims do not even know that their incorporation of unconditional love from God cannot be found in islam....
Please try to learn something yourself about the Koran, as there are some good websites, done entirely by former muslims, who well know what the koran says in arabic...I refer you to one http://www.freedomfaith.org from there, you will find others.
You say that we cannot let the freaks alter our views of the rest of the muslims. You are right, but I may add that it is important for us to sift out which ones are which....I have had for years many "friends" who are muslim, but one day recently I decided to email them and tell them that I had decided to let them know I WOULD NEVER CONVERT TO ISLAM. Now I mentioned that according to their religion, to the koran, they had to kill me one day....as each non-muslim gets only one chance to convert.
NOT ONE OF THEM emailed back and declared he was still my friend, and not one denied that his mission was to kill me for this rejection of islam, so I felt a great weight off my shoulders, and I shook the dust off my feet and have moved on. Funny how we proceed, giving them all the benefit of the doubt, but if we were to tell them we would never convert, even with a sword at our necks, would they still want to be our "friend?"
The koran only allows them to engage us for the purpose of converting us...they are NOT to make friends with the infidels. So I kissed that email list goodbye, now wiser.
#116comment # 113 It is very amanzing that every one reply me with rhetoric. There are one billion muslim who would just go to hell because they follow different religion then ours. How about Jews who even do not accept our believe. They do not believe that God could even have a son but they are our friends. We help them to have state but do want to have consitution for their state so they dont have to define there borders. How if UN decide that in middle of US Mexcian could have a Country should we except it. I do not think so, you would not like, right!. We are the largest producer of Arms (killing Machine) in the world killing millions but we call other terrosit. We went into a country claiming that are producing WMD but instate have killed more than half a million people through CIA
"We will keep you engage, We will make you fight against each other, we will smoke you out" President Bush
We have killed thousand of Red Indian, Black, Japanese, Vitamese, Korean, Nicaraguan,
We have killed millions of Jews through Catlohic Church. Last year Enevangilican Church spent more than 25 million dollare to convert Jews to christainity through their programe Juses for Jew. Yes and we dare call other people terrosite just because they are trying to safe them self From our white supreme race.
Yes when Quran is translated the problem of deduction is alway their but it is so also in bible. Arabic bible also contain word Jihad and does not have word love in it so does it make us; christain a Jihadi.
Christain terroriste blow up Madrid airport last Sunday and Spain PM stop negotiate with them. Oh sorry the news was not carried by US Media Ha read in BBC.com.uk
And sorry thier are more suicide bomber killing themself in sri lanka than in palestine Oh! sorry again news is never carried by US media (Western Media).
Just by calling some one bad does not make them bad. Remember you call them name, and they do have the right to do the some. If you say that their son of God Muhammad is not a nice person they have the some right to say the thing of Jesus. And I sure we do not want them to curse Jesus which I trust they never do. We make them understand with love thats what Jesus would have done. Hatered would bring more hatered and love would bring more love.
#117Ms Julie Winter would you please explaing this
I would like to sell you six million Jew in USA
Frankling Roosevelt while meeting stalin in Yalta
#118why don't you cite your source for such a statement?
#119Shahid...your English is so bad, I do not believe you live in the US. I asked you where you DO live, but you ignore whatever you don't want to answer. There is no such concept of jihad in the Bible...never were Jews or Christians commanded to kill off those who did not convert to Judaism or Christianity.
Jews were given the Promised Land BY GOD and it is an eternal gift, since God DOES NOT REVOKE HIS GIFTS AND PROMISES. Yes, God wanted those evil people, the Canaanites killed......but that was not jihad. Watch your mouth because now you are beginning to criticize the God of Israel, and I WILL STAND UP FOR HIM. HIS EDICTS ARE RIGHT AND JUST, as He Is The Judge of all. Don't try to equate allah with the God of Israel, i.e., the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Your mouth will hang you if you mock Him.
The God of Israel does NOT change His Mind, as His Mind is GOOD, RIGHT AND TRUE....there is no hint of evil in Him....but allah apparently changes his mind on every single subject, nullifying his previous word to muhammad, and then nullifying that word, ad infinitum, as the koran takes both sides of every issue. This alone makes it impossible for a muslim to think clearly.
I thank God that He knew I would be the worst of sinners had I not been born in a country where I could find the Truth about Him....I would have willingly blown myself up for the sake of allah, and I am doing my best to reach out and pull from the flames of hell those that are headed that way. The question is DO THEY WANT TO BE SAVED?
Shahid you are not an American, so quit saying "we did this" or "We did that." Your take on things is so islamoradical, and your cover has been blown by your own statements. Keep up the fight in Iraq...we will find you one day.
#120I would like to sell you six million Jew in USA
Frankling Roosevelt while meeting stalin in Yalta
Shahid, No one has addressed this because it is not a statement made by President Roosevelt. It is propaganda and unworthy to be mentioned here.
#121o unworthy self-appointed Imam Shahid,
Your style of argument reminds me of the 4 year old child who always feels slighted when the parent gives something to another one of the children.....it is a pity you were not born a woman in islam, so your character could learn to take twenty-eighth place all the time. In other words, you must be at the center of attention, controlling the conversation, or nothing can proceed.
You constantly turn people's statements around, ignoring the valid points they make, and whether true or not, you say, "So, it is in the Bible, too. So, it is the same with Christians....etc." You are a master manipulator who has no interest in honesty.
As I said before, I am going to opt out of this whining type of discussion. You are just like the few hundred other muslims on the Internet who are there to screw up the discussions for the rest of us. Your sole deisre seems to have us focus on your topics rather than the original one. The original topic in this blog was UNASSIMILATED MUSLIMS..which obviously you are.......UNASSIMILATED.
You actually should have nothing to say about it, since
you are being part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Truly, I am sick and tired of listening to the same old same old muslim mantras.....the discussions never elevate to real solutions....because the muslim warrior/victim gets in there and corrupts the proper flow of ideas, portraying all muslims as victims. I refute your intent at getting our eyes off the real issue of unassimilated muslims.
Your continuing whiny posts only create more hostility against muslims, since you do not answer legitimate questions, and your mind is as shut as a locked door. I personally will not walk through that door to find you.
#122Amen.
#123So that which we do not like becomes proganda and unworthy
I have alwasy quoted my source but only thing you rely is on rhetoric. My english may be bad but you do understand it right.
Let see what Jews' God promis them.
Rabbi Ben Zion Halberstam of Bobov
“For behold in our times there have arisen irresponsible men, who throw of the yoke of Torah and mitzvos and conice the Jewish pople to be like all the nations, to build themselves and independent government, and they pretend that this is the ultimate redemption. But it is ovvious and know the they speak falsely, and that their way is the complete antithesis of the Torah… see the Targum on Shir Hashirim 8:4. ‘The King Moshiach will say , I adjure you, my people, house of Isreael, why do you fight with the people of the land, to leave exile? Wait a little more and the master of the world will recall the love of the righteous ones and it will be his will to redeem you’ and this is based on the Gemora in Kesubos (111a) That Hakodosh Baruch Hu made the Jewish people swear not to force the end.”
I have quoted by source from Torah and also quoted Rabbi who have given Fatwa in the matter I have several time offered that call any Rabbi and ask him what I have written and see if he agree with me or not. Yes Jew have been promised land but thier god would himself come and take them to the promised Land
Talk to any Arab Christain ask him if their is word Jihad in Arabic Holy Bible.
You cherry pick my writing and answer does that suite you I think thats not right.
Their are thousand of christain and Jew who think Zionist are not doing the right thing and one of them is a Christain Mayor of Bethlehem who is minister in Hamas Government. 90% of Christain voted for Hamas in Bethlehem becaurs they though Fatah was to close to Zoinist.
And Please comment on Christain Terrorist blowing up Madrid Airport.
And no body addrese it because it is truth.
I would like to sell you six million Jew in USA
Frankling Roosevelt while meeting stalin in Yalta
Wait I will shock you with another stroy of WWII (actually it should be call Christain War II) Get ready.
Do you know Tariq Aziz foriegn Minister under Saddam Hussain is Christain and refused to say single word against Saddam Hussain. The Point I am trying to make is do not think that all christain and All Jew agree with us.
And yes you are right I am not Black.
#124On one side you say I am four year old and then you call me master Manipulator which one should I believe in. Actually I feel that you would agree with me if I right some thing bad about muslim, and trust me I can write better than you. let see Do you know muslim worshipe stone? I guess you do not know. Just ask me I will write bad about muslim better than you all.
#125your comments again show exactly what I said...no matter what the topic YOU must make YOURSELF the center of attention. I did find out who you are simply by going to Gogle and I sent you this info by email, for you to take care of erasing it online, in case you do not want everyone to know who you are. What sort of English classes do they have at the University in Cordova anyway? I guess a major in Islamic studies does not require English fluency.
No one wants to hear you support islam or hear you write poorly about it. Frankly, all we care about is that you learn our values OF HONESTY, Truth, hard work, participation in paying taxes, and furthering the freedoms we have both here and around the world.
THAT IS ASSIMILATION, not jivving around on the Internet.
#126Actually, I found everything I ever wanted to know about Shahid Kinnare, from Tennessee by going into Google.
#127comment # 125 thank you for your comment I really appreciate.
#128Shahid,
You are correct that there are a thousand Christians and Jews who do not support Zionism. This, out of hundreds of millions who do support Israel.
You have cited two rebbes who have followers, have written books and pamphlets etc., but who have been rejected by 99.07% of Jewry worldwide. Their sects refuse to assimilate into American society despite all the protection and privileges they have been given by citizenship. They live totally apart from their neighbors; I'm from New York City and know these people.
Did you know there are people with the Flat Earth Society who believe the earth is flat - even when confronted with photos and proof! They cling to their translation and interpretation of scripture in The Holy Bible. Shall we use them to represent valid scriptual interpretation when it is evident that the world is round?
You keep throwing out this provocative quote attributed to FDR for which you give no proof - and for good reason -there isn't any source because it never was said! Anyone who has studied WWII and the dynamics of Franklin Roosevelt and 'Uncle Joe' would tell you such a statement is ludacris! Pleas read: Saving the Jews as testament of Roosevelt's efforts on behalf of the Jews.
You inform us that Tariq Assiz is a Christian (he was brought up a Roman Catholic as most of us know), however, by becoming one of Saddam's henchmen, he cannot be termed a practicing Christian because when he started to serve Saddam, he ceased to serve God. And it would be impossible for him to justify his actions through the Gospels or as a Christian; anything he did was separate from the Church rather than as a result of it.
The Madrid airport bombimg was the result of the Basque separatist group ETA, and is a complex political problem. These terrorists trnd to be Socialists and Anarchists, not Christian.
World War II was NOT a 'Christian War'. It was started by the axis powers that were headed by Nazis, Fascists, Socialists/Communists, and Imperialists who either rejected all religion or Shinto was the state religion of Japan. The formwr Soviet Union had been part of this Axis before being betrayed by Hitler and was a socialist/Communist state which also rejected religion. Because of these G-dless miscreants, over 60 million died during WWII and 20+ million more in the former Soviet Union during Stalin's purges. None of these leaders and their agendas cared about the sanctity of human life or the concept of freedom , just personal glory and power. There was nothing Christian about any of this.
I pray that you are a better jeweler than historian.
You have tried my patience and taken up too much of my time with your nonsense. I can no longer deal with your trashy history and agenda.
Time for all of us to move on.
#129Any one we do not like he is not Christain. Easy way out.
Great, I agree with you.
#130shahid, Hitler's excuse was protection and expansion of the Aryan race, this was racial not religious. France and England declared war because Hitler attacked Poland to regain land that was lost to Germany in WWI, at no time time did any leader say this was Catholic vs Protestant or any other christian denomination vs any other denomination. How bizarre that you should suggest as much, what are the sources for such conspiracy theories? I have never heard such theories, even from Muslim's! Wow you really don't know much about anything do you!
#131shahid, that doesn't mean that christians didn't have religious wars. The Crimean War was a religious war. But in World War 2 the Germans, Italians, French and Polish were all Catholic. I don't want argue with you ad hominem (Troll) but you display great ignorance about world events. You should really understand basic history before posting on this forum.
#132Shahid...your MO is running people away by being a stubborn pig-headed islamist......you obviously need harsh, direct, and cut-to-the-core words, and so you will get them from me.
Your style (MO) is to blast into a discussion, make inflammatory and accusatory statements, support NONE of them, change the subject whenever convenient to YOUR purpose of destroying communication between intelligent non-muslims.
You get satisfaction when you can frustrate the kind-hearted and the generous with their time and energy, but NOT me....I have BOTH TIME AND ENERGY, but I am going to decide how and where those are directed for your benefit.
This is NOT your discussion board, and your voice is a small blip against the great symphony of those who love freedom, TRUTH, HONESTY, and life itself. Your small blip is determined to become a loud ringing in our ears, a string plucked that gives dissonance and disharmony to those around you. YOUR desire for superiority, and your PRIDE IS YOUR DOWNFALL... There is almost a sexual component to this....you blast in with a huge stick (a sword??) to beat all the infidels over the head, and you feel so macho for doing it.
It is ironic that you all love to say peace be upon you...God's Peace IS upon us, but YOU LACK ANY HINT OF PEACE.
This is islam: destroy rather than build, annoy rather than produce, antagonize rather than think profoundly about anything. In fact, questioning and reflecting is DISCOURAGED in islam, since only SUBMISSION HAS VALUE. allah cannot be apprehended or understood, and if the muslim questions, he may fall away.....so JUST SUBMIT. Well, we refuse to submit to you.
Let me tell you what a real man is....
I have a happy marriage, and am blessed beyond what I deserve. My husband and I never argue or fight....but the first two years when he was a muslim, we fought every day...it was miserable. He was not happy with anything....if the food were delicious, he would grumble. If the house were clean, he would ignore that. I was the object of his hatred of all things American and female.
I saw the misery of the islamic mind. I saw the 180 degree change in him in an instant when he accepted Jesus Christ. He never permitted me to say one word about "my religion." But he secretly got up at night and read the Bible and studied for himself when I had no idea he was doing it. He says I was an example of forgiveness and of Jesus to him....though I did not have a clue.
He became a better person and a better husband than I ever could have imagined. He never complains, and never fails to forgive me. He discovered the strength(not weakness) in allowing others room and space to breathe. He lets others have their way with him, and though some have taken advantage over the years, he leaves it all to God to judge them. I have seen him be wronged in huge matters, and still, he can let it go by the Grace of God.
He has become a very successful man, and I no longer have to work. I am happy beyond what I merited in this life. And he seeks every day in every moment to let other muslims know the source of his joy and strength.
He is more patriotic than you, Shahid. This country was the first one to give him citizenship...saddam only sought his life and killed his people for decades....denying them any rest, any citizenship, any hope. It is here in the USA that he came to Christ when a loving Christian dentist prayed with him. We will celebrate 14 years of marriage in the next six weeks, but believe me, we celebrate it every day.
Shahid, I know you are miserable. It shows in every complaint you register online. This is not the only place you come and dump your aggravation. You bother the people on Daniel Pipe's forum, and many others. Your misery is such that the lava flow of your anger seeks to burn everyone in your path. Even if you could burn all of us, you would not be happier, you would be even more miserable.
Get down on your knees one day soon, please, and ask God to show you The Truth. The real God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, says, Test Me and I will prove Myself to you, that I AM.
He will not overlook one little sheep that asks Him for guidance into all Truth.I will pray for you for forty days, and sometime in this next 40 days, between Jan. 2 and February 11th, I know that if you get down on your knees and ask the Lord to direct you to Him, HE WILL....HIS NAME is not allah.
I would like to meet you back here when that happens.
#133I found this rather interesting:
German court upholds ban on head scarves Mon Jan 15, 8:38 PM ET
#134This is a really good link, A.M. Thanks for alerting us to this important story. I'll post a new article about it.
#135i'm sick and tired of tolerating intolerance. if people immigrate to my country and don't like how my country does things, then they can do two things: accept it and integrate or #### the hell off. leave your goddamned religious problems in the ######### where you came from. if you bring your war to my homeland, i'll see you in the streets #############.
#136Dear Johnny,
Please refrain from using foul language. It is offensive and counter productive to the content and spirit of this blog.
Thanks
#137A.M., I've posted a new article about the info you posted about in #133. Thanks for posting this great info!
#138i'm glad i found this blog.I just finished reading Londonistan. Very scary....I hope the US opens its eyes to this Islamofascism...ASAP
#139Welcome to the site, Rich. Please feel free to post comments with any relevant observations you come up with.
#140Hi Vik , in response to your post # 47
All they have to do is march, make speeches, and have rallies proclaiming loudly that anyone who blows up a restaurant, bus, plane, etc., in the name of Islam, is lost to Islam and is no longer a good Muslim.
Wel count me in , I will be the first one to do it. Definately.
I was just looking in one of ur posts, so thought I would add a comment...
#141Part I
Zumer,
Peace be unto you,
Thank you for your thoughtful correspondence.
Retaliation is the whole point!
It is what separates us and makes it improbable to have any peace between us.
Please accept that my answer is from my Christian and American perspective:
There are many readers of this Blog who are Jewish, Agnostic, or of other faiths and would strongly dispute the following, but I am not commissioned to punish them for their thoughts, deeds, insults, or jokes concerning Jesus and/or Christianity.
Firstly, and foremost, Jesus is the Son of God. He is part of the Holy Trinity. (Although I’m not fond of Wikipedia as a reference, this is a good explanation of a difficult concept for Muslims to grasp.)
A Christian is someone who follows the words of Jesus and believes Him to be the Messiah. We all strive to be saints.
Here are the major passages that define Christian conduct in the face of insults, lawsuits, and other adversity. Since you were kind enough to furnish quotes from the Quran, I have done the same form the New Testament:
The Holy Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ according to St. Matthew and St.. Luke. Glory to thee, O Lord:
Matthew 5:38-42
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Luke 6:28-31
“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,”
“Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.”
The Gospel of the Lord. Praise to be to thee, O Christ.
For a concise explanation of these may I refer you to: Christian Non-Violence by Walter Winks.
Therefore, in the face of any insults, we’re really supposed to walk away rather than retaliate.
Insults are normally the result of envy and ignorance; it is unseemly to even acknowlege them. We put the burden on Jesus and pray for our transgressors. that is the correct christian reponse.
Were those cartoons depicting Jesus, Christians would have complained, and cease to buy that paper. Most of us would have totally ignored it and the matter would have been forgotten.
G-d will take care of transgressors and transgressions as He sees fit.
Revenge and retaliation are Old Testament concepts which were nullified by Jesus.
Until we can dispense with retaliation and emnity against non-Muslims, it is unlikely that there will be any peace or progress.
#142Part II
Zumer,
Peace Be Unto You.
But violence and retaliation is deep seeded in the conduct of Mohammad during his lifetime.
Let’s discuss the life of Jesus as opposed to Mohammad’s.
Christians do not separate the New Testament and the life of Jesus; they are one and inseparable.
We do not have a complex code of law that dictates mundane tasks, food, or punishments. Jesus simplified the Law. He reduced the Ten Commandments to two and added one of his own:
The Holy Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ according to St. Matthew and St. John. Glory to thee, O Lord:
Matthew 22:36-40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
The Gospel of the Lord. Praise to be to thee, O Christ.
Jesus brought love, respect, and dignity to the world. It is not a message that is specific to an era or place, but applicable to all ages and places! Christianity can coexist with any culture and most laws of nations.
Throughout His life, Jesus brought about miracles. He never lied nor advocated lying for any reason. He never changed His mind or altered His words. Jesus never used a weapon; there were only two swords amongst the apostles. He never advocated battles or wars. He never headed an army. He never conquered a nation by force. He never advocated theft or pillage. He was against the amassing of riches at the expense of others. He never incited people to kill others. He never used demeaning terms to describe other peoples (all people are His). He taught respect of people despite their faith base or cultural background. He never coerced people to follow him. He never knew a woman intimately and did not marry to have multiple wives; therefore he did not have children (we are all His children) whose descendants are still warring over the succession. He never took advantage of a woman or a child. He did not own slaves. He never fled his persecutors. He submitted himself to be executed. He died forgiving his executioners and bringing two sinners into the Kingdom.
He asks us repeatedly to love our enemies.
None of this can be said for Mohammad. All of my Muslim acquaintances keep making excuses for Mohammed’s behavior with a, “But you have to understand the times in which he lived and the Quran was written…”.
No such excuse is made for Jesus. (Roman society was brutal towards Jews and Christians.)
Who indeed, is the more peaceful and merciful?
And Heaven in Christianity is not a place of worldly delights. It is a place where such ‘delights’ are meaningless. There are no silk sofas and subservient virgins. It is not for our pleasure, but for eternal peace and to be one with G-d.
Only Satan paints the hereafter as a pleasure palace; Christians call that Hell.
Heaven, as I have pointed out in a previous post, is not a sure thing or for sale at any cost. We all strive to be saints, but it is only through G-d’s grace that we enter His Kingdom.
But we are sure that murder is not a key to any room in G-d’s mansion.
#143Part I
A.M. Whittaker
Thank u very much for ur comments...
First of all, I want to say that we Muslims believe Jesus as a prophet of Allah (God), and he had no father. His mother was a virgin Marry. He was not crucified. He was taken to the heavens and he will return near the end of times, and a muslim leader Imam Mahdi will lead him in prayer. Jesus will kill the anti-christ (we call him Dajjal).
This was to clarify Jesus status in Islam.
That's it.
Now if u allow me to reply...
Jesus brought love, respect, and dignity to the world.
So did Muhammad. Muhammad pbuh brought love, respect and dignitiy to the world, as well.
Before he came, the arabs were living in a horrible position, they used to kill their own daughters at the time of their birth, they use to have war on a pitty matters, they use to worship idols.
When Muhammad came, he gave the status to the women, she could never imagined.
Do u know that Heaven is placed in the foot of a mother. What I mean to say is that if u respect ur mother only then u will get paradise otherwise not.
Now, i give a simple example. If a girl is born , it is thought to be a mercy of Allah for that family.
when that baby girl gets older, her level of respect increases, as she is respected by her brother (if she have one).
and when she becomes adult, the whole society respects her, in terms like every muslim male adults must lower their gaze when they saw her, and she is their sister (in islam).
when she gets married, she does not becomes the property of her husband. She continues to have her father's name attached to her first name.
and during the ceremony of marriage she is the first one to be asked wether she accepts the person as her husband or not. and not only that, she can get divorce from her husband whenever she wants.
and when she becomes a mother, her status is raised to such a level that paradise is present for her child if her child respects her.
#144Part 2
It is not a message that is specific to an era or place, but applicable to all ages and places! Christianity can coexist with any culture and most laws of nations.
Well to be very honest, islam is not specific to an area or a specific frame of time as well.
well infact, according to islamic teachings God will only accept Islam as the Dean (way of life). and Muhammad pbuh was sent for the whole mankind.
Throughout His life, Jesus brought about miracles. He never lied nor advocated lying for any reason. He never changed His mind or altered His words.
WEll friend we muslims believe in that, and Prophet Muhammad pbuh also did the miracles, and biggest miracle of Muhammad is the Holy Quran.
Find any flaw in it, find any contradictions in it, u will not be able to find.
It is still present in the same laguage Arabic as when it was realed, and muslims recite it in the same arabic language even though he is arab or not. but in case of bible, But there are many versions of Bible. There are many contradictions within a bible. Do u know in which language it was revealed, (I know it might be aremic or some thing). But definately not english.
Jesus never lied, I have no problem with that, as I believe he was prophet, but do u know the character of Muhammad pbuh. He was known to be AS-Sadiq (meaning the person who speaks nothing but truth, trust worthy) even before his period of his prophethood.
People used to place their belongings with Prophet Muhammad, not only that after his declaration of his Prophethood, even then , his enemies would used to respect his honesty and used to place their belongings with him as security.
#145Part 3,
He married, yes indeed, there is no doubt about it. At his time men use to marry many women, but he came and regularized the marriage system and set the maximum limit of 4 wifes at a time and not more than that. and not only that we muslims are only allowed to marry more than one wife if we are able to treat them equally, but if not then one is enough. In the holy Quran it is written.
Slaves were common in those days for all nations and tribes. It was Islam that encouraged freeing of the slaves and the great reward from Allah for those who did so. Prophet, peace be upon him, gave the example of this by freeing slaves and encouraging all of his followers to do the same. Examples include his own servant (who was actually considered like a son to him) Zaid ibn Al Haritha and Bilal the slave who was bought by Abu Bakr only for the purpose of freeing him.
Cursing and invoking evil actually came to the prophet, peace be upon him, from his enemies, while he would be praying for their guidance. Classic example is that of his journey to At-Taif where the leaders would not even hear him out nor offer so much as the normal courtesy called for and instead they set the children of the street against him, throwing rocks and stones at him until his body was bleeding so much, blood filled his sandals. He was offered revenge by the angel Gabriel, if he would give the command, Allah would cause the surrounding mountains to fall down upon them destroying them all. Instead of cursing them or asking for their destruction, he prayed for them to be guided to worship their Lord alone, without any partners.
#146Muhammad, peace be upon him, ordered men not to "inherit women against their will," and not to marry them accept by mutual consent and never to touch their wealth or inheritance in order to improve their own financial conditions.
O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good. [Holy Quran 4:19]
We also notice from this verse, He forbid the common practice of wife-beating and abuse, (his own wife said he never once hit her).
He never once engaged in sex outside of marriage, nor did he ever approve of it, even though it was very common at the time. His only relationships with women were in legitimate, contractual marriages with proper witnesses according to law. His relationship to Ayesha was only that of marriage. He did not marry her the first time her father offered her hand to him in marriage. His first marriage was with Kahadija (widow)at the age of 25 when she was 40. He did not married twice throughout her life. His relationship with Aisha was a truly love marriage. He married her only after she reached the age of puberty and could decide for herself. Their relationship is described in every detail by Ayesha herself in the most loving and respectful manner as a match truly made in heaven. Ayesha is considered as one of the highest scholars of Islam and lived out her entire life only having been married to Muhammad, peace be upon him. She never desired any other man, nor did she ever utter a single negative statement against Muhammad, peace be upon him.
#147Part 5
Muhammad, peace be upon him, ordered men to "provide and protect" women, whether it was their own mother, sister, wife or daughter or even those of others, whether they were Muslims or not.
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support the women) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.).
As to those women on whose part you see illconduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, startle them (set forth a clear example or parable for them, to make clear the point of what is going on before divorcing them) so if they return to proper obedience (to Allah and their husbands), do not annoy them any further. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great." [Holy Quran 4:34]
http://muhammada2z.com/
He prophesied, predicted and foretold of events to come and they happened just as he had said they would. He mentioned so many things that people of his time could not have known, yet we have seen the evidences manifest over and over throughout the centuries in science, medicine, biology, embryology, psychology, metrology, geology and many other disciplines and even space travel and wireless communications, all of which we take for granted today. He even predicted something from the past that would come true in the future, and it has..
The Quran states pharaoh was drowned in the Red Sea while chasing after Moses and Allah said He would preserve Pharaoh as a sign for the future. Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book, "Bible, Quran and Science" makes it clear this has happened and the very person of Pharaoh has been discovered in Egypt and is now on display for all to see.
This event took place thousands of years before Muhammad, peace be upon him, and it came true in the last few decades, many centuries after his death.
and one of the prophecis is that women will be more in number than men.
near the end of time for each man, there will be 50 women, this would be the ratio.
#148Part 6
and last but not least, about Suicide, It is forbidden to commit Suicide. It is said that if a person commits Suicide then he would do this act again and again in the hell fire.
and about putting ur burdon on Jesus. It means if u r christian, then what ever u do, u will not be asked about it , but rather jesus will beresponsible for your deads, and for u paradise is for sure. BUT BUT BUT....
Well, in islam this is not like that, no one is responsible for the deads of other people. I am responsible for my deads only. I cannot put the burden of my deads on other person.
and infact in Islam, Paradise is not a easy thing to achieve. Becoming muslim by islamic creed, u must practice islam, and do not hurt other, and abide by the rules. If ur bad deads are more than good deads, then u place is hell.
In islam Allah can forgive any sin he want but he will not forgive Shirk (praying others besides Him.)
and one last example. Suppose if i have caused u any harm. for example i have broken ur leg or some thing like that, then Allah will not firgive me unless u forgive me. So, I will go to hell till the punishment i get is equal to the harm i have saused u. (this is a very basic example, I hope u will understand it. I have said it in a very siple words.)
#149A.M., I'm sure you were trying to communicate to Zumer the beauty of the Judeo-Christian culture. But I have a feeling what he took away was, "We can kill these people and burn their buildings all we want..." (actions which Zumer has supported in this thread), "and they won't do anything about it." Is that what you meant to communicate to Zumer?
Americans have the right to bear arms, and if Muslims tried to burn cars every night here like they've been doing in France, a lot of them would be likely to get shot.
#150Americans have the right to bear arms, and if Muslims tried to burn cars every night here
I think u r saying that Muslims can retaliate even by taking law into theri hands. No, muslim cannot take law in theri hands, muslims r not supposed to break the law.
if someone harms muslims then we muslms are supposed to contact the authority. and let the authority / police do their job.
that's it.
#151Part 7
Dear A.M. Whittaker,
you have to look at this link, its about a priest, who met a muslim, and they had a dialogue.
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/Yusuf_story.htm
waiting for ur reply ,
#152Part 8,
u guys have t ocheck this video, actually there are 4 parts. just giving the link of first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXiMm8YWE_o
its about a person whos name is Abdul Raheem Green.
#153I think u r saying that Muslims can retaliate even by taking law into theri hands. No, muslim cannot take law in theri hands, muslims r not supposed to break the law.
if someone harms muslims then we muslms are supposed to contact the authority. and let the authority / police do their job.
You supported the opposite view in this thread, repeatedly expressing your support for Muslims who kill and burn buildings in the name of their religion.
It makes all your descriptions of Islam in this thread as being so nice and wonderful, look like a sham.
#154u talked about shame, this time u really pissed me off!!
isnt it shame for u to hide your faith, when some one asks, in order not to get caught because of contradictions in your bible (if u r christian) or in old testament (if u r a jew).
I asked about ur faith, wether u r christian or jew or an atheist.. but u refused. Now, that is a shame!!
U christians talk about science, and technology, but in reality, science and bible goes in opposite direction. Thanks to ur reforming (changing) your book, the bible.
Shame on u, as u christians have to belief on your faith even without thinking about it. God is one and three at the same time.
Just tell me, how an engineer can get it ,like 1 is equal to 3. So, an (christian) engineer cannot convince himself about his own christian belief, but if he forces himself, then he is having a blind faith. That's why u see that most athiest who happens to be scientists were previously christians. Because they just can't get it, what is written in the new testament.
and then in 60 or 70's u get what, sex revolution, where u broke all the boundries of marriage. In the bible it is prohibited to do adultry. and u guys are doing adultry.
Priests who prefer to be virgin, (that is against human nature), do commit much graver sins as u might have heard of scandels in the church. Shame on you.
and then came even more progress, himosexuality, oh great.
And because of homosexuality, and having illigitimate sex out of wedlock, u got a wonderful present, AIDS.
and this disease is nothing but a punishment from Allah. wether u like it or not.
Now talk about Alcohol, u guys drink, and drink a lot to th point that u get drunk. adn u brain stops working.
Now, vik, if u really are interested in seeking the truth, well, I have told u, just look at it.
and for i will give the tip, just look at the prophecies told in islam.
read them, and u will see them passing your own very eyes!! exactly as subscribed, word by word.!!
well, the only thing for me to say is that
" I testify that there is not God worthy of worship but Allah alone and I testify that Muhammad is the last of messengers and prophet of Allah."
and I hav told u and thats it..
Good bye and good luck.
#155Oh, so you support killing people and burning buildings in the name of Islam, and now you're saying how "pissed off" you are. For many who practice Islam, this is its true face - anger, threats, and more anger and more threats. All the happy nice wonderful things you described it as, in your posts above, are a smokescreen, meant to hide the anger and the threats that, at least as you present it, are at the heart of it.
And no wonder. Look at what's at the bottom of your view of your faith - quoting you: “ I testify that there is not God worthy of worship but Allah alone and I testify that Muhammad is the last of messengers and prophet of Allah.” That is a denial of the righteousness of other people's religions. No other religion has as its basis an attack on the religions of others. It keeps far too many Muslims in a constant state of anger and of making threats against those of other religions.
Zumer, walk away from your anger, and find a better life.
#156Is there anyone who has something about the following article:
Minister of Methodist Church, degree in divinity, author of many publications - choses ISLAM?
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/16/52/
#157Islam is not only like a cancer, it's a killing cancer, as non muslim people in the west give muslims the total freedom to live and speak about the good false view of islam to trick people to convert to islam without knowing what they are doing as most of them are far from their original and new religions, non muslims in muslim countries are forced to live in muslim rules, here bad talking about them in the streets and using mics.
for any one who converts from islam they say he/she must be killed as it's one rule of islams rules
islamic rules and instructions through quran or whatever are full of hatred and instructions to kill non muslims with or without reasons, deal with them like animals and slaves as well as trying to convert them using force if it's available, and when it's not available for them till now in the west they are trying to convert them using other ways full of tricks and lies
regarding if islam is wrong or right, i think no god can disagree with himself in more than half of his book (quran) that's what is called nasekh and mansoukh, this is one of the many many issues that muslims are trying to hide and fool others before they fool them selves
Islam since it's start aims control people that's the approach which Mohammed started and appears cross history
Islam is all the long againest all what is good in any way including arts, technology etc.. though they use them in fooling people specially media means
GOD save the world from the death of Islam
#158What about all those "Cristian" priests that molest young boys and girls. sick bastards.
Its not the religion that you follow, its your own morals that matter!
It is religion that divides us
but it is faith that unites us
~
DJDEEJ
#159djdeej, there's a very big difference. Those priests are acting against the teachings of Christianity. The terrorists state that they are acting in accordance with the teachings of Islam.
#160i hope they dont impose to make lebanon follow under sharia law
#161djdeej
#162Wow.....what a waste of time readig this was. There are too many close minded people in this world that think that islam is what some people do. Islam is the most beautiful and peace loving religion there is or was or will be. Your ignorance makes you blind to the truth.
*Peace*
Sharia culture is a perfect cancer on Judeo-Christian culture
CULTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELGION> THEY ARE TWO SEPERATE THINGS__>>TRY TO GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD. and as for caner, lolz, haahahaha>>isn't any religion cancer to another religion??? o.O o_O ??
#163#162, do you agree that any Muslim who blows up a bus, train, plane, or restaurant, does not go to paradise?
#164When will people understand that the fundamentals of all three religions are the same! The details vary from religion to religion but the fundamentals are the same! Why can't we just accept that there are truths in every religion and that you can learn something from each of them. Forget being a Christian, forget being Muslim, forget being Jewish (the religion) and forget being Buddist. USE THEM ALL TO BETTER YOUR LIFE!!
If everyone felt this way, religious wars would never be fought.
#165people think that Lebanon is a MINI iran, becoz of hassan nasrallah lmaoo.
its not
#166shahid, Hitler’s excuse was protection and expansion of the Aryan race, this was racial not religious. France and England declared war because Hitler attacked Poland to regain land that was lost to Germany in WWI, at no time time did any leader say this was Catholic vs Protestant or any other christian denomination vs any other denomination. How bizarre that you should suggest as much, what are the sources for such conspiracy theories? I have never heard such theories, even from Muslim’s! Wow you really don’t know much about anything do you!
#167Lets clarify one thing - Freedom of speech is just that. DON'T tell me that insulting someone's opinions, religion, personal hygiene or the lame car they drive is NOT part of freedom of speech. The First Amendment is clear. IF peace loving Muslims do not want to live where anyone can express THEIR OPINION, ANYTIME, they should move to a culture/country where they will not be offended. DON'T tell me how to speak. DON'T tell me how to think. From the American Revolution - DON'T Tread on Me. We can be friends and neighbors by following this country's rules.
I apply these rules to all religions and all cultural groups.
#168Peace on you brother
I beg to differ and i would like to bring to your attention the following, and in no way, or manner do i mean to offend you
The Lords Rebel Army (uganda)
what about Nazi germany (hitler was a devout Christian)
I am not Criticizing Christians but then again ..
what about the Christian Doctrine
numbers 31:17-18
Deuteronomy 20:13-20
Samuel 15:1-4
(now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all they have ,and spare them not , but slay both man and woman, infant ans suckling, Ox and Sheep , camel and ass)
Psalms 137:1-9
Hosea2:1-4
HOSEA 13:16
Ezekiel 23:45:48
Chronicles 15:13
Kings 9:7-9
Revelation 2:22-23
you can check it out at http://www.biblegateway.com
or other bible websites
Now tell me thats not Indiscriminate Killing and a doctrine within the bible??
but this does not mean that all christians are evil .. right?? they are not many of my best friends are christians.. they dont even know that this exists in the bible
yes there are christian fundamentalists as well as there are muslim fundamentalists
like there was a red mosque in pakistan there was David Quresh in USA ...
But the Majority is not extrmist.. ../../../../images/smileys/smile.gif .. and the majory must not creat a sterotype .. a sterotypical idea is what lead to the holocaust.. not all jews are bad not all christians are bad not all muslims are bad…
yet among them not all of them are innocient ..
#169To Anonymous:
Hitler was NOT a devout Christian; he despised mainstream religion and tried to surplant it with his own version for the New Order which was based on hubris, astrology, and Nordic mythology.
The books of the Holy Bilble you quoted are from the Old Testament, not the New Testament. Christians primarily follow the words and deeds of Jesus and his Apostles, which are contained in the New Testament. You might want to read them directly; start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John as well as Acts.
Here are some examples of what Christians ought to follow:
Matthew 22:36-40
John 13:34
Matthew 5:1-48
John 8:2-11
Luke 10:25-37
1 Peter 2:1-25
2 Timothy 2:24-26
Matthew 10: 14-16
#170Islam was a facade used by the evil Mohammad in his pursuit of worldly pleasures. This cult today is misrepresented as a religion.
#171Im replying after a long time.. ive been busy with some work now comming back to these posts
my purpose here was not to start a fight neither was it to disrespect any religion .. as most people have a habit of doing so .. and as a Muslim i am bound by Islamic law to respect both the True Religions, Christianity and Judaism (Although misinterpreted or changed text) ...
and i am bound by Islamic Law to respect the Prophets .. Jesus peace and blessings of God be upon his .. and Moses Peacea and blessings of God be upon him, .. and all the other Prophets of Isreal and those God sent to other nations that we donot know of.
The point i was trying to make is ...
that the same way others Qoute from Diffrent Portions of Quran or Ahadith and show a false Interpritation of Islam making it look like a fasciet religion, the similar could be applied to all other religions, by taking words and verses out of context ..
Funny that you Quote from the Bible.... and specially Luke... where in the last paragraphs Jesus asks his Desciples to Cary a Sword and who has none must sell his cloak and get one.. most Scholors agree that this Sword is that of Faith and words..
yet the very same night when the Pharsees and the Romans come to Capture Jesus .. one of the desciple asks jesus "should i attack him" .. and he does and cuts of one of the guards ears.. that jesus peace be upon him by a True Miracle heals..
now i can qoute this and say jesus said "Carry a sword" thus promoting voilance..
Do onto others as you wish other to do onto you...
if im not mistaken .. thats the correct concept. but the words might not be exact
#172as for the judeo Christian Co-alition against their Comman Enemy ... us the muslims...
what say you jews of jesus ...
a true Prophet for the God of Isreal ?
or Son of God
or be it Gos himself????
i'll give you the islamic Answer...
a True Prophet..one of the mightiest that God has ever sent of the ranks of Moses and Abraham and Mohammed.
Born of Virgin birth with no male intervention of any kind... his mother a pious woman .. for God wished him to be born ... and he was there in his mother's womb
Innocent of nature .. loving and Kind... and kind to his mother... worship Lord God the True God one and Alone and called others for His Worship ...
still Alive and with his God, THe God of Moses, Abraham, Elisa, Issac , Mohammed and all of Humanity
the best of the people... ... and if he were here .. all muslims would all but happily die for him .. rather the muslims are awaiting his return to follow him upon his return
so rejioce Those who call themselves.. of Christ..(the Christians) .. and the muslims ..... near is his Second Comming and with that comes the meeting with God of all of humanity and Bliss in the Kingdom of God
so what say you of Jesus the Son of Mary may peace and Blessing of God the Almighty be Upon Him ??
Islam is evil ab initio. It is a tragedy that was not prevented when it was born. It now has become a full-fledged dragon that will not rest until it preys on the civilised world as its thirst for blood has been growing.
#174To anonymous reply # 172:
So why are Christians not allowed to practice or display their faith in public in most Islamic nations? Why are Christians persecuted in these same nations? Why are Christian converts put to death?
Islam's prophet was a highway bandit looting camel caravans carrying silk and other precious commodities. After Allah's revelation this evil man did not change. He was mindless barbarian and megalomaniac. As communism dies in its motherland I hope this barbaric cult wrongly called religion also dies sooner than later.
#176hmm peace be upon you all
I think .. it would be better for you to read some history before commenting ..
CHristians are free and had always been free to practice their religion in all Muslim Countries.
INcluding Saudia Arabia.. the biggest witness to that is the still living Coptic Christians in
Egypt,
Saudia and other muslim countries
and Jews LIving in Yemen ..
apart from just living..
The Place where God spoke to Moses through the burning BUsh .. i wonder if any of you know where it is??
its in Saudia.. in the valley of Tawa. and on that PLace is a Monestery called the MOnestary ..
called the MOnestary of St. Chathrines. that was COnstructed by way back before the Birth of Prophet MOhammed
and is still there and is run by the Christians and is a pilgramage site for many Christians.
and most of you donot know about the Treaty of St. Cathrine.. where the Christians and Jews were Made a peace with
and were allowed to live and practice their religion
under the same treaty when the 2nd caliph of islam conqured Jurasalem he made it a open place of worship for all religions
since the jews going their were persicuted by the Christians and had to flee and many of them lived in Madina
and same happened with spain
jurusalem has a history that you must read.. When Salahudin Ayubi first Attacked Jurusalem the treaty between the King of Jurusalem and Salahudin where
Jurusalem will remain as a Open city where all the three faiths will be allowed and its people free to worship as before the Crusader Invasion
as long as that promise is held Salahudin will not attack the City
#177regarding Comments by .. this about the Life of the Prophet May peace of Allah and blessings be upon him ...
you need to go through the history again .. THe Prophet of Islam was a Sheep Herder yet of the family of one of the nobelest Tribes of Mecca.. just Like Moses May Peace and Blessings of God be Upon him being of Roaylty was a Shepared during his stay in Median
who by the way killed a person and had to flee egypt. (he killed for the right reasons) and after that there came many wars where jews Conqoured many places, and under the COmmand of the next Prophet of Isreal Yashwa Bin Nun may God's Peace and Blessing be Upon Him
It seems that many of the people of the world still are unaware of Islam and think of it what mass media tells them
I Implore you .. read about Islam .. for Correct Books.. Read the Quran where God States
"Killing of one innocent man (muslim or non-muslim) is equal to killing the entire humanity (commiting Genocide)"
and
The Prophet said
"If you go to sleep with a full belly and your neighbour (muslim or non-muslim) is hungry you are not a muslim"
is this not what jesus said
and God says in the Quran
"Of the people on the earth the ones that you will find most similar to you are the christians"
Muslims are not allowed to curse the Prophets be it Moses or Jesus or yashwa bin nun or Elisa or John the Baptist or Jesus the Son of Marry ,anyone who does recives a capital Punishment ..
so much that we are not even allowed to curse the false pagan gods of the polythiests .. for it hurts deep in ones heart when you confront him/her about his/her religion and so it says in the Quran
"When you call others to Islam do it in the most poliet manner, and even still it will hurt them"
#178when Jesus said "Love thy Neighbour as thyself" ..
did he specify that neighbour needs to be Christian or a jew or a muslim or a polytheist.. ??
you have been mislead about the muslims So many thousands of my friends are Christians..
and there are many Churchs here.. all Catholics and protestants so many here..
if you still dont belive me...
Tariq Aziz .. The Minister during the Time of Sadam Hussein in Iraq was Christian
George habash the Leader of PLO (Plestinian Liberation Organization) was a Christian
there is no Discrimination ... this is just a false view that is being Potrayed to you..
and as you are Angered when some foolish muslim calls for the killing of all the Jews and all the christians...
so are muslims angered when you curse the prophets and make fun of them be it anyone of those innocent sinless souls
for some people God might be a Concept .. or something to belive and have faith in ..
for Muslims God is a Reality .. the God one and Alone. is Living and is Watching us even as we discuss on this Forum
seems that many have not learned about islam but have been taught only certain things about it...
"Do not Judge Others for one day you shall be judged.."
I implore all of you once again .. read the Quran ..
and read about the Life of the Prophet.. ... yours and ours ...
of Moses and of Jesus ... and of Mohammed..
come to our countries .. talk to us .. sit with us and know us..
#179(do read what i have written above)
But my Question Still Remains to my Jewish Semetic Brothers. and sisters
What say you of Jesus? The Christ , the Son of Marry Born of Virgin Birth .. the True Messiah..
The Innocent Lamb, The one who Raised People from the Dead and Cured the leapor by Ture Miracles Given to him from God the Al-Mighty ..
He shall Return and fulfill all the Prophecies that were laid down about him in the Old-Testiment .. and Bring Peace to this World..
these are not my words but the words for jesus used in Islam .. and in the Quran .. and in the Sayings of the Prophet...
and so did the Prophet Spoke of David and Yashwa bin nun and moses and Noha and Abraham (Peace be Upon them all) .. would you not like to know why muslims belive in all these Prophets and what The Prophet had to say about them??
#180@#176:
I think .. it would be better for you to read some history before commenting ..
CHristians are free and had always been free to practice their religion in all Muslim Countries.
INcluding Saudia Arabia..
That's not an accurate statement. From the National Post:
Complete freedom of religion for all is strictly protected in Israel -- unlike in neighbouring countries, which recognize only one state religion, Islam, and even criminalize and persecute the practice of other faiths. Consider, for instance, Saudi Arabia, whose police recently arrested 40 Christians for the "crime" of praying in a private house. Followers of the Baha'is religion, who are persecuted in Iran, are welcomed in Israel, and maintain their central religious institutions in Haifa and Acre. Coptic Christians, who face restrictions in neighbouring Arab countries, enjoy freedom of religion in Israel.
It's completely absurd to pretend that Christians are "free to practice their religion in all Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia."
It is disgusting to compare the evil prophet of Islam with Moses or Christ. Christ preached peace while the innovator of Islam let loose bloodshed on mankind. It defeats me whom the apologists of Islam are trying to fool.
Islam stands on a tripod, that is, Treachery, debauchery and butchery. If any true follower of Islam exists it is those like Osama bin Laden.
#182ppl ppl ppl,
com on man who r utryin 2 tell dat islam is evil. U cant bass the whole religion upon a few action made by individulas who av misundastud da relgion. seriously da creator of dis ite seems lyk a very sad person who has nothin betta 2 do man. no ofence of course.
Islam is an invention of a mad man. This mad man could have been excused had he limited his madness to himself. But he has driven the whole world crazy. Today the earth is never the same again after the advent of the horrific evil who called himself a prophet.
#184what i see here.. is people trying to Avoid my Question ..
What say you of Jesus? The Christ , the Son of Marry Born of Virgin Birth .. the True Messiah
and i pose this Question to my Jewish Friends.. on this Post..
we as Muslim would die for Jesus and fight for Lord the True and LIving God.. the God of Jesus and Moses and Mohammed and All mankind the Creator of Everything..
now Will you not Answer me... or we you bee the like who confronted jesus and to which Jesus Peace be Upon him replied
"Your Questions are like the path on the mountain"
Jesus was Truthfull .. and so was moses about you .. when Moses said
"You do such Acts when i am Alive what will you do when i am Gone"
and in Deutronomy 31,32 ... God tells Moses
"These People will forget me and worship other Gods.."
"and i will make them jelous by a people that have no understanding"
"By a people that are not a nation"
People with no Understanding = Ummi .. unlearned People.. this is what the Jews in Arabia used to call the Arabs
and Arab never were a Nation but Tribes
and then God says
"HE Came with us from Senai"
"He Rose from Seir"
"And He Shall Shine Forth From PAran"
Paran is the Latin Curroption of the Arabic Word Faran .. or the Vally of Faran where Mecca is...
Do check it yourselves
And My Question Still Stands ...
What say Jews of Jesus? The Christ , the Son of Marry Born of Virgin Birth .. the True and the Promised Messaiah From God FOrtold and Prophicised in the Jewish Scriptures
#185The orthodox Jews are still waiting for the coming of the messiah. We gentiles were not part of the fold untill Jesus came. Mohammed twisted everything around to suit his needs because he's full of #### and so are you
Evil Mohammad plagiarised from Bible and Torah to make a hotpotch Koran.
Had Muslims had some sense they would have followed the Christ and would not have shed so much blood over the centuries
#187Blood Shed like the Crusades??
for which Pope John Paul said sorry ... ??
regarding Plgiarising form the bible... .. if one did so .... would it not contain the same mistakes as lie in the bible... and firstly Mohammed Peace Be Upon Him was unlearned thus he could not read the bible and thus could not copy from it..
What im seeing here is people not answering my question but rather talking back in the worst of the manners... that is not inline with the Actions and Teaching of Christ or that of Moses or Any of the Prophets...
Love your Enemy ..
isn't that what Jesus said??
If someone Strikes on one Cheek offer him the other as well
but My Question Still Stands...
WE MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONE OF THE MIGHTEIST PROPHETS OF GOD WHo WAS BORN OF VIRGIN BIRTH >> THE TRUE MASSIAH... or SHOULD I SAY THE TRUE KING OF ISREAL .... WHO WILL RETURN AND IN HIS SECOND COMMING WILL FULFILL ALL THAT WAS FORTOLD in the Jewish SCriptures
WE MSULIMS WILL BE THE FIRST TO FOLLOW HIM
AND DIE FOR HIM
HE WAS Pure and did not ask people to comit idolatory ..
His Mother was Pure and gave birth to him as a miracle
He did not Miss lead the Jews he wanted to guide the Flok back to its right path
and As Jesus was sent to Isreal to guide them from their Wrong Doings..
so was Mohammed sent to the World and Christianity to Guide them of how they mixed the Roman Culture into Their Religion
How the Jews Hatted Jesus the True Prophet of God and did what they could .. You do the Same to Mohammed The Ture Prophet ..
the words have not changed
the Jews said "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?" John 10:19
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BUT MY QUESTION STILL STANDS ....
what say jews of Jesus The Christ, The MEshaikh(the annointed one) the Son of the Virgin Marry... what say jews on Who was he and of His Teachings..
we say His teaachings were True and Were from God as a Gaint Step of Utmost Importance in the Evolution of the Religious Understandings of Humanity
NOW WHAT SAY YOU JEWS ABOUT HIM, His Birth, His Authority, His Teachings?
#188i want to share the reality that i lived with the real islam not the false one that they try to convince the west with
if you are muslim, recently converted to muslim some honest research you will find that islam is such a mix between some old habbits and customs of arabian community in the past mixed with some stories taken from the christians bible and jewish turah and formed in arabian way put in a sort of strict hypocrtic instructions which drove a world of 1 billion which dont want to think and search and be honest with them selves
these hypocritic rules is created by mohamed to get people loyality to him in the name of allah and akkbar -which was a an god for some arabs at this time- he started fooling and told his followers how to fool and they must fool and still this story running to the day
a lot of arabs (islam and quran is all about arabic) dosent understand islam so how could non arabs do so they fool them
if you do some honest research you will find that islam is such a mix between some old habbits and customs of arabian community in the past mixed with some stories taken from the christians bible and jewish turah and formed in arabian way put in a sort of strict hypocrtic instructions
most of the truth about islam and islamic lies could be found in arabic do not make them fool you if you dont understand arabic
muslim -real muslims- say that the quran is not accept by allah (GOD) in any other languge than arabic (may be that allah dose not understand english) and the quran is the same since it created -search and you will find it never be correct- and many other lies can not be right
and lies continue
muslims in fact create lies and beleive them
they always speak about islamic miracles, but islam never had a miracle than bringing war and hatred in a religion that get followed by millions that is the real miracle and the only one
any normal to fanatic muslim have a hatred to any non muslim which taught by his or her relegion
anyone knows the real fact about islam and care about his life and others lives and a real god not about this fooling called islam will immediately leave it,
islam is such a big lie of their believers (i was one) aims to destory humanity and all what's good and give loyality to mohammed who never was a good person, who invinted the hypocrisy of islam
read your books, history, turath and THINK!!
mohammed the prophet married many many women -i see he was lust for sex- and married 6 years old kid when he was 50s and mastaurbated with her had sex with her when she became 9!!
that one was from islamic trusted books and hadithes there are so many many more things to say and the real fact have even more
on of the islams aim is to distroy christianity and judism
i do not beleive in any of them yet
but if you put one of them in compare with islam
jesus says love your enemy and pray for them, where islam says kill who even don't believe in islam ...
islam is such a big lie of their believers (i was one) aims to destory humanity and all what's good and give loyality to mohammed who never was a good person, who invinted the hypocrisy of islam
read your books, history, turath and THINK
jesus says love your enemy and pray for them, where islam says kill who even don't believe in islam ...
i invite every muslim to begin thinking is that a real distiney
will i find the 70x70 lady waiting for me with muhammed to have sex with me in heaven.
#189Terrorism has nothing to do with religion but rather ones despare and cry out for help or to be heard. Gas goes up by a few cents and whole damn nation crys as if it is the end of the world but doesn't turn to terror. Why? Because it is not that bad and our lives go on as if nothing is happening.We went to war based on particualr date and two skyscrapers.....sure a tragedy of many innocent lives. Never the less our government armed up and went to war milles and milles away from our doorstep.
Now imagine nine eleven happening every weekend like clockwork....now imagine that 30 of your family memebers were executed in front of your eyes as a 4 year old....now imagine going through this for duration of 30 years....now imagine bunch of strangers coming to your town and killing you as well....
now imagine...WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Would you call this a terrorism?
Stop watching Hollywood movies about terrorism...no one want's ransom money...they just want to be heard!
But who cares they are not christians and their sins can't be 'forgotten' and 'repaied' beacuse they don't have the luxury of driving their SUVs on Sunday morning and washing any evil deads.
When is US going to separate church from state?...YEAH RIGHT....
When is Vatican going to melt their gold and feed the hungry?
Faith and belief are something that each person holds within. If all christians and muslims followed what their 'books' ( scripts writen and interepreted by a man and flawed as such ) there would not be nothing short of world peace.
I am all for integration and learning and respecting place where you live...especially US. But tell me this...when was the last time some one was beaten (in US) to near death because they 'looked like christian'?
Freedom of speech...phew...please, it doesn't exisit no matter how assimilated you are. It is more in line of "freedom of speech within our borders".
What does assimilation really mean?
Should we then expell 70% of population made of ex-nazzi, ex-euro money-hungry-criminals that came to US and burned, raped and killed natives to make room for their religion....while prests strolled along and converted everone and everyhing in their way?
Yes the civilised west...oh so great...
Converting over to religion based on one woman that really stuck to her story and had no guts to admit she cheated on her husband?
Following the muhammed but we can't even see a picture of the man?
This country knows only one color and that is color of GREEN and worships in church of ATM.\
So, yes, 'religion' is just another way of controlling weak-minded.
How about you give us our land back and get the hell out of this place...OUT COUNTRY....ALL OF YOU!
We lived in peace and prosperity beliving in only one true thing.....the Mother Earth that had us.
#190eagle of the west, you need to wear glasses....theres another group thats crippling America, and thats environmentalists
#191Environmentalists are naive and well - intended, not evil. The above back and forth shows that Winston Churchill was correct in saying that Muslims can be individually charming but collectively form a failed civilization. Many Islamics in the US are very pleasant and try to make a better life for themselves, all admirable. Daud and Zummer seem to be intelligent and ones who try to respond to rationality and not fanaticism.
Clearly the PC types have insured that our educational system teaches little of value with regard to the Crusades, and the struggle with Islam since the 7th century, and what Islam is all about. I at one time believed that "all religions are basically the same, they just do stuff in different ways but all are good." After reading many books, as recommended by a post above (including "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades," but have not yet read "The Sword of the Prophet." Everyone needs to read "Willful Blindness, a Memoir of the Jihad," by Andrew McCartney, the lead prosecutor of the Blind Sheik and the other evil that the FBI let bomb the WTC the first time, and how Clinton and his band of liberals treat this as some kind of prissy lawyer war, the same path the clueless Democrats still pursue.)
What Daud & Zummer miss is that we police our evil, we do not give them a free pass b/c they are Americans. And we certainly do not call them heros who are in paradise. And only the lunitic fringe looks up to the McVeys, the Columbine losers,...Islamapoligists love to talk about Timmothy McVey, well we executed him, and there are not tens of millions of McVeys running around like those brainwashed in mosques and madressas since infancy. We lock fanatics up, even though we are plagued by lawyers who profit by letting the guilty get away with bad things to evil things. (The lawyer who represents the Blind Sheik, Kunstler or something like that, has blood on his hands and will burn in Hell. Ditto for those representing those at Gitmo.) These Islamics are far stranger and more evil that anything from outer space that we used to be fascinated about. And Winston Churchill's comments on Islam was before oil dollars and explosive population growth of Islamics. They represent a very real threat to civilization.
It all came to me during an interview of an Islamic lady who had a title something like "Middle East Consultant for Islamic Affairs" by Fox during the Israeli - Hezbollah conflict of 2006. She was asked "Why do Islamics not criticize or even acknowledge that Hezbolla is using them as human sheilds?" Her reply was "Islamics are forbidden to criticize other Islamics." So there it is, the Fatal Flaw of Islam, just came up as an obvious, oh - by - the - way statement. There you have how Islamics can be just oh so offended about everything and do not even acknowledge the evil perpetrated not just now but through out their history by Islamics in name of Allah. Just listen to the cockpit recorder of United 93 in its last moments by the terrorists "Allah is beautiful, Allah is beautiful, over and over." sickening evil. If Islam were a real religion and not evil, that would be much more offensive that some cartoons or some British school teacher's students naming a teddy bear Muhammod.
Hope I am wrong but the bottom line as I see it: 1. Islam has no Winston Churchills, Jeffersons, Ghandis, Newtons, Michaelangelos, Gallieo's, Maxwells, no Nobel Prizes except stupid Jimmy Carter stuff, nothing but fat bearded evil guys and Osama. Islam must renounce their history of not criticizing other Islamics for evil, must police their evil and apologize to the civilized world for Islamic evil past and present, must find and rally behind real leaders that promote the good of the people as part of a global community and not some stupid 72 virgins stuff and kill for Allah (how could any sane person believe that kind of stupid stuff?). Islam must renounce and police their evil. or 2. The Clash of Civilizations - The End of the World As We Know It (No Obama and no getting rid of our nuclear weapons, as we are going to need them.)
CouthBaron
#192The following was provided in response to a question from a gent regarding Turkey as an ally. The response goes much farther than answering the question posed, and so in the hope of raising the level of awareness of what I see as a Coming Confrontation, maybe the biggest one ever, I provide this here as well. Rush Limbaugh, Disney, and WMAL radio in Washington DC. Commentary follows:
You ask an extremely important question, Mr. Godfrey, but you must understand that Mr. Pipes cannot answer all these posts in detail, and what he has told you most succinctly here is very true, you must read books, you must seek the truth. You will not get the truth by watching the CBS Evening News, or PBS, ....only at Fox will you get this, and it will be by necessity, skimpy. This intellectual bankruptcy is pernicious, indeed I fear that 4 November 2008 will be recorded as the day the door shut on the American Empire. The Beginning of the End would be 20 January 1977, the day that James Earl Carter took office, and the Democrat Party of FDR, HST, JFK, .... became the Dhimmicrat Party of Carter, William Jefferson Clinton, and let us hope not, Barack Hussain Obama.Carter had idiot feckless advisors who told this horrendously inept president that the Shah should be cast aside in favor of Allatoyla Khomeini. Go to page 128 of "The Final Move Beyond Iraq" by Mike Evans and read about Ambassador William Sullivan's telegraph to Carter calling Khomeini "a Ghandi - like personage, a MODERATE, and a centrist who would not PERSONALLY INVOLVE HIMSELF IN THE POLITICS OF IRAN." Then see how that "James Bill, a leading (???) expert on Iran, proclaimed in a Newsweek interview on February 12, 1979, that 'Khomeini is not a high - ranking mujtahid,....but a man of impeccable of impeccable integrity and honesty'" ???? Wow, reread that, and look it up yourself if you do not believe it.
#193So what does this have to do with Turkey, you ask. According to Serge Trifkovic, in "The Sword of the Prophet," and its sequel, "Defeating Jihad," it is quite likely that the sequel to Carter's Islamic Republic of Evil that he gave us in 1979 is the Islamic Republic of Turkey. (Read these two books, Mr. Godfrey, and you will be sad, but at least you will know the truth, not all the phoney Dhimmicratic lies.) So you say, "Carter may have made a mistake, but everyone makes mistakes." And, most unfortunately, I must reply, November 4th, look at what the American People did on that day, in droves they voted for the Bringers of Freddie/Fannie, Nancy Pelosi, do you have a sister Nancy? Harry Reid, can we clone you, I want my youngun to grow up to be just like you Harry, even though you aren't quite Dirty Harry. (Another excellent read is "Inquiry, Integrity, Intelligence, and Inspiration: The Four Horsemen of Effective Governmental Function," by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. And also read "My Corps: Why I Would Never Embarass the United States Marine Corps," by John Murtha. On November 4th, the American People voted him back into office. But, I have just realized that I am assuming that you know who the Bringers of Freddie/Fannie are, that you know Barney Franks, Frank Raines, Maxine "California Freeloading" Waters, Gregory "I am so angry at people who would waste the taxpayer's money" Meeks, .... all these pristinely honest and informed people the Dhimmicrats have blessed the American People with, and so were rewarded by the grateful American People on November 4th. And assuming that you know that, I realize, is a HUGE mistake, because as evidenced by what happened November 4th, and not by any close margin, the election was just a perfunctory thing that everyone knew the outcome of. Nevermind there was an honest man running, one who was a POW, and even thought he is 71 years old, does have the right values, and is a man of honor. Not saying I agree with everything about his ideas, but honesty and integrity I can work with. So let me introduce to you, the American People, these wonderful people you so admire and trust, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs And of course the Dhimmicrats will equivocate & prevaricate to claim it was not their fault, and apparently the American People are quite the soft touch, as evidenced by what happened November 4th.
#194And it does not escape me that the real blame is not on Carter, Clinton, and the above - mentioned people, it is on the Indolent American People, those shallow ones with the mental acumen of a fifth grader, yes all GW Bush's fault, we want change....well you are indeed getting a change from the likes of HST, FDR, JFK, and even the immensely unpopular LBJ. He may have micromanaged and bungled the Viet Nam war, the war conducted so as to not hurt anyone's feelings, but not corrupt like the Dhimmicrats of Clinton and his Sandy Burglers (what were you trying to hide Sandy, is it related by Bill's outrage about insinuations that he did not take out bin Ladin?????), and not stupid like Carter, the one who started all this CRA (google the Community Reinvestment Act, see that Carter started it, Clinton make it worse, and the BH Obama involvement in it, and find out what Acorn is, and how it was related to the CRA, do not be fooled by all the lies, but of course we see on November 4th that you obviously were fooled. Find out about the $800,000 that Obama gave to Acorn to "Get out the vote," yes, dead folks, Mickey Mouse, and most importantly, black folks. Another great read is "My Struggle and Futility in Trying to Win the Black Vote," by Barack Hussian Obama.
Now, page 134 of The Final Move Beyond Iraq, "When the head of the French Secret Service, the Count of Maranche, suggested to Carter in 1980 that Khomeini be kidnapped and then bartered for an exchange with the hostages, the president was indignant. 'One cannot do that to a holy man,' he told the French super - spy. In fact, the Carter - appointed ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young, asserted that the ayatollah would 'eventually be hailed as a saint.'". American People, your doom is your indolence and intellectual bankruptcy, you cannot continue to elect corrupt idiots like this, like you did for two terms of WJ Clinton, and God help us, we are indeed doomed if you elected another corrupt Dhimmicratic idiot November 4th.
#195If you did, then, be gracious, know that you were the greatest nation on Earth in the twentieth century, the Marshall Plan, the Berlin wall coming down, neveming the Europeans deny Regan had anything to do with it, as did the Dhimmicrates, but you must now hand the baton to China and India, hand the baton over, America, be gracious, unclutch that baton....
Now let us go to page 199 of "Defeating Jihad," and read about how Carter and Brzezinski decided to "support hard - core Islamists in the insurgency against the Soviets in Afghanistan. As we now know, that decision was a strategic mistake of the highest order: it prompted the release of the Jihadist genie from a bottle that had remain sealed for almost three centuries after the siege of Vienna." American People, meet the "Afghan Blowback," courtesy of Carter and the Dhimmicrats. And in case you do not know about Vienna, see http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/05/counterjihad-vienna-2008.html That's right, American People, the Islamic Conquest of Europe was halted at the gates of Vienna on September 11th, 1683. Yes, it was September 11th, and this conquest of Europe did not end in 1683, only delayed, so now read "America Alone," by Mark Steyn, to understand and perhaps be a bit frightened by this. Back to page 199, "The fruits went beyond the jihadists' wildest dreams. Brzezinski will go down in history as the man who did for bin Laden what the Kaiser did for Lenin by providing him with that sealed train from Switzerland to the Baltic in 1917....."A series of 'liberal' interventions on the side of the Balkan Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo) ensued in the 1990s (WJ Clinton time). The most tangible result fo promoting 'common ideals and interests in this globalized world' by NATO bombs is the existance of a vibrant jihadist base in the heart of Europe that has had a connection, one way or another, with every major terrorist attack in the past three years, from Istanbul to Madrid."
#196Did you catch that, American People? Yes, Clinton and the Dhimmicrats bombed the wrong people in Bosia, pandering to Islamics in the hope that suddenly they would "like" us. Totally and Terminally Stupid. I would make these two Trifkovic books mandatory reading in high school, but will this ever happen, no, sadly no, so I try to spread the word, but know that it is likely futile, lost in the tsunami of indolence of an American People who are sailing into oblivion, going the same way as the Romans, Spaniards, due to rot from within, with the Dhimmicrats at the helm. But I can tell you one thing with confidence, if everyone had read the two Trifkovic books, November 4th would have been very different. And just maybe, I would have some help throwing select Dhimmicrats thru the nearest window for destroying my once - proud nation, a Defenestration of the Dhimmicrats, if you will. Let us all hope that the second time Michelle Obama was proud of her country is not the first time the American People would not be proud of their country. That word hope, it is all that remains.
And my good man, Mr. Godfrey, I know you think I do not realize that this question was all about Turkey, but that is not so, I have tried to put it into a larger context in the perhaps futile hope of attaining an acceptable level of awareness as to what we face.
#197Turning to page 200, we have "As for Iraq, although the deception was no greater than Clinton's claim that the 1999 Kosovo war was waged to stop 'genocide,' its immediate cost in American lives and treasure is far higher. But contrary to what could be expected on the basis of their rhetoric about the Iranian threat, the proponents of the war in Iraq are remarkably forgiving of the transgressions by Pakistan and Turkey, two of the weakest links in the Global War On Terror. They accept General Musharraff's farcial elections as legitimate. His past support for the Taliban is forgotten, his duplicity over Kashmir glossed over in silence, and his claims to have been oblivious (think Reverend Wright here.....) to Dr. Khan' nuclear proliferation network are taken seriously. The same people call TURKEY an 'indispensable ally' (Paul Wolfowitz), accept at face value the 'post - Islamic' character of its government, readily forgive its ostentatious refusal to help in the Iraqi war, and insist on the necessity fo Turkey's joining the European Union. They pretend to be indignant of the warnings that the country - more than nine - tenths Asiatic, and 90% Muslim, is not 'European.' In reality, TURKEY IS A SEMI-DORMANT ISLAMIC VOLCANO that may erupt at any moment, with virulence unseen since Iran in 1979." Now take all that boatload in, and just hope Mr. Trifkovic is wrong. Meet Mr. Trifkovic by renting the dvd "Islam: What the West Needs to Know About Radical Islam."
#198I will now direct you to see the Enemy Within, yes, they are here, but not in the numbers in Europe, The European Islamic Anaconda is much larger than the American Islamic Anaconda. Right now, the European Islamic Anaconda has maybe the rear hindquarter of Europe in its mouth, this Anaconda has the facade of Muhammod Atta, the most evil face I have ever seen, those cold killer eyes, the demonic evil behind those eyes, that face that is not just from Hell, that face is now IN HELL. See http://www.womanhonorthyself.com/?p=4177 to better understand this, how brave Americans right out of high school hit the Normandy beaches and died by the thousands there and afterwards so that the French would be free to not offend Islamics, and so the good people of Brussels would be free to not be able to observe a moment of silence for the victims of 9/11, as this offends Islamics, nevermind they claim that Mussad of Israel did it, or that GW Bush did it. Another great read: "The True Story: What Really Happened on 9/11," by Rosie ODonnell, and "Love At First Sight: How I Knew That Rosie Was the One for Me," by Donald Trump. The American Islamic Anaconda is much smaller than its European counterpart. It is perhaps 10 feet away, as its Atta facade has a slight smile as he gazes at us. But the American People, in the spirit of "All Religions are peaceful and tolerant, Islam is a religion, Islam is peaceful and tolerant," not being aware of the dichotomy of the Believer and the Unbeliever, and that Islam has a theology, doctrine, and legal system that mandates perpetual warfare against the Unbeliever, feckless, clueless, gullible, trusting American People, do not question the need for a large Muslim diaspora in the US. They fail to understand that an estimated thirtyish percent of Muslims are of the hard core fanatically demonic types, and that the remaining sixtyish percent of Muslims remain silent, out of fear, tacit support, or a combination of the two.
#199The true victims of this horrible evil religion are the Muslims, especially its women. A Crusade is needed to save them, but I do not think we have it in us, viz. November 4th, and what we see in Europe, the British, French, Spanish, Romans, people whose glory exists now only in history books, they of decline. The American Islamic Anaconda, with the arrival of every one of the demonic thirtish percent of Muslim immigrants, gets a bit larger, and the smile of Atta it has fades a bit, the Anaconda grows, the smile fades, ....grows.....fades.....gulp. Page 167 of Defeating Jihid is titled "Jihad's Agitprop." It begins "A major exploiter of the opportunities provided by the liberal mindset has been the Council on American - Islamic Relations (CAIR). This group has been able to bully and intimidate American institutions, forcing them to adopt an insiduous spirit of self - censorship regarding Islam. It scored a major and highly alarming victory in August 2005 when WMAL, a Washington DC talk radio station (WMAL, you lucky heroic brave Americans, you shall get a copy of this, in fairness to you, and so will Rush Limbaugh, although his Screener Monkeys may never let him see it) succumbed to its pressure and fired presenter Michael Graham for his comment on the link between Islam and terrorism. He said: 'Because of the mix of Islamic theology that - rightly or wrongly, is interpreted to promote violence, added to an organizational structure that allows violent radicals to operate openly in Islam's name with impunity, Islam has, sadly, become a terrorist organization. It pains me to say it. But the good news is it doesn't have to stay this way, if the vast majority of Muslims who don't support terror will step forward and re - claim their religion.' The Disney - owned (Disney, you get a copy of this too) station terminated Graham both for this statement and his subsequent refusal to apologize for it. In doing so it has caved into CAIR's equation of all critical analysis of Islam with 'Islamophobia.'" At this point, I at least submit, Mr. Godfrey, that I have at least tried to address your concerns regarding Turkey. I have also tried to tell you where to look to find the truth, it will not come to you, you will be lied to and do more ill - informed actions as the likely fatal one of November 4th. But WMAL, Disney, .... know you well that if you continue to surpress First Amendment rights and indulge in all this Politically Correct stupidity, then you will indeed feel the Sword of the Prophet. Allah Akbar!
"Islamists understand that their most powerful secret weapon is the Liberal Mindset, while despising it at the same time." Serge Trifkovic, "The Sword of the Prophet"
"Tolerance of Intolerance is not Tolerance," Mark Steyn, "America Alone"
#200To: #178
"Tariq Aziz .. The Minister during the Time of Sadam Hussein in Iraq was Christian"
Yes, and Iraq was then ruled by the secularist Ba'ath party, which had a negative link to Islamist groups
ie: Al Qaeda, for one... I'm pretty sure Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole, since Iran is the
only country to gain from the sectarianism now dividing Iraq. At least when Saddam and the Ba'athists
were in charge, a tight lid was kept on this powder keg...
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