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Almost every day, Muslims, acting in the name of Islam, blow up cars, buses, restaurants, etc. The leaders of Islam do not speak out to say that such Muslims do not go to paradise.
Yet it is not uncommon to see statements such as this, which appeared recently in the LA Times:
[Kody "Monster"] Scott had seemingly turned himself around, converting to Islam and telling people he was rejecting his violent ways.
Given that public places are blown up almost daily in the name of Islam, with the undeniable implicit sanction of global Islamic leaders, how is it possible for an organization such as the LA Times to make a statement like "Scott had seemingly turned himself around, converting to Islam..."?
Or, in the words of Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI):
What accounts for the almost psychotic aversion to knowledge about Islam?
Warner provides an insightful explanation. He finds that the thought pattern taught by Islam is so antithetical to that taught by non-Islamic cultures, that non-Muslims have difficulty even beginning to consider it. He finds that Islam rejects the following things, which are inherent to non-Islamic thought.
Logic:
...the Koran [...] is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the Koran of Medina (later). The insight into the logic of the Koran comes from the large numbers of contradictions in it. On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by resorting to "abrogation". This means that the verse written later supersedes the earlier verse. But in fact, since the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect word of Allah, both verses are sacred and true. The later verse is "better," but the earlier verse cannot be wrong since Allah is perfect. This is the foundation of dualism. Both verses are "right." Both sides of the contradiction are true in dualistic logic. The circumstances govern which verse is used.
For example:
(Koran of Mecca) 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity.
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:
(Koran of Medina) 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!"
All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction-if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true.
...To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.
The Shared Humanity of Man:
Let's examine the ethical basis of our civilization. All of our politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that is best formulated in the Golden Rule:
Treat others as you would be treated.
The basis of this rule is the recognition that at one level, we are all the same. We are not all equal. Any game of sports will show that we do not have equal abilities. But everyone wants to be treated as a human being. In particular, we all want to be equal under the law and be treated as social equals. On the basis of the Golden Rule-the equality of human beings-we have created democracy, ended slavery and treat women and men as political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic. All people are to be treated the same. All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.
FrontPage: So how is Islam different in this context?
Warner: The term "human being" has no meaning inside of Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.
Ethics:
There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.
By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm or deceive the unbeliever.
Now mind you, unbelievers have frequently failed at applying the Golden Rule, but we can be judged and condemned on its basis. We do fall short, but it is our ideal.
There have been other dualistic cultures. The KKK comes to mind. But the KKK is a simplistic dualism. The KKK member hates all black people at all times; there is only one choice. This is very straightforward and easy to see.
The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well. So Islam can be "nice", but in no case is the unbeliever a "brother" or a friend. In fact, there are some 14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic-a Muslim is never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be "friendly," but he is never an actual friend. And the degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.
Westerners believe that all major religions are about finding happiness. They find it almost incomprehensible that there may be a widely-followed religion that is a rejection of that - that is about rejecting happiness on earth - that tells you that the only way to achieve heaven is to attack those who do not share your religion -- to attack them in every way, including through physical violence. And indeed, it is almost incomprehensible to us that there could be a religion that teaches its followers to act so brutally against their own earthly happiness. But many who practice Islam describe it as being precisely that, and practice it in exactly that way.
Westerners must look at Islam and find out what it is, not what we wish it was.
#2Thank you for this post. I led a discussion last week of "America Alone" with my all-women book club. We all work for a top-ten research university in a red state and are highly educated and informed. I was disappointed with their apparent inability to understand the basic tenets of Islam and how they drive current events. It left me pessimistic, to say the least.
#3You're very welcome. You might want to send them a link to this Youtube video of Bill Maher. When they hear it from a Liberal like Bill Maher, it may help them to start to think about it. I would be interested to hear more about your experiences in this matter.
Tolerant Western opinion formers (media and politicians) try to hammer into us that how can a religion be evil, especially if it has some nice things in it.
But I've read both the Koran and Mein Kampf and there is little to distinguish them. Both books have an general tone of victoriously fighting the world or else drag it down in flames. Indeed, the words Koran and Kampf has exactly the same translation in English - Struggle.
But Islam is, to a Western mind, distinctly evil. Muhammad knew the difference between right and wrong, it was just that he possibly didn't see any reason why he should adhere to goodness because he generally could not empathise with anybody who didn't share his outlook. In other words, he was a psycho. When he was friendless in Mecca he acted with tolerance and understanding. But once he had a following by the Medina stage, he began his quest of plunder, pillage, rape and murder. Indeed, entire towns built defensive walls to try and keep his new 'Muslim' terror gangs out and he took revenge on those townspeople who defied him by murdering them in a bestial fashion.
Muhammad is still revered by Muslims as a perfect example of man, which is why, amongst other things, sex with minors is a given in devoutly Muslim areas.
Because of the Muslims, Sikhs have suffered, Hindus have suffered, Christians have suffered and of course the Jews have suffered. There is no equivilence when it comes to Islam. As Wafa Sultan, Islamic refusenik, rightly says, the War On Terror is a war between civilsation and backwardness.
And they'll have nukies soon. Be very very scared...............
#5Another little observation of Mein Kampf - it's one of Palestine's best sellers!
Michael, you may be aware that amongst Saddam Hussein's possessions was found a copy of Mein Kampf.
And to think the Muslims are so touchy about criticism! There's much to criticise.
PS - It appears I may have been wrong about Koran meaning 'Struggle'. Some other source says it means 'Recital', which seems as apt.
Jihad means "struggle" in Arabic, just like Kampf does in German.
#9well, guys, I will enter this conversation, not now, but just want to show u some thing, which I found in CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/09/roberts.btsc/index.html
well, I know this is out of context, and so on,, but still,
and vik I will reply this feature post, after a few days....
#10Zumer, let's keep in mind that, per your previous posts on this site, you support those who kill people and burn buildings in the name of Islam.
#11I find it extremely laughable that you Christians think you are something special and are criticizing the Islam religion for their violence, when it is only the fanatical fundamentalists that are doing it... and it is actually the government and not the religion itself. Why don't you research the exhausting, immense history of violence, murder, abuse, cruelty, and corruption of Christianity. I hope you realize that all advancements toward morality were opposed and hated by the church and all its institutions and organizations. Ever heard of the KKK or the Westboro Baptist Church?
The article about the Crusades made me vomit. You find the events reasonable? Did you know they ate babies? You people are not loving and merciful as you claim to be. You are sick. If you really are Christians, you would show concern for the poor people in the Iraq. Rather, you dedicate a whole website to unreasonably criticizing Islam and its followers. I can only imagine how outraged you people would react if someone said something unpleasant about your beliefs. You people worship the same "supreme being", Allah is God. Get over it.
I am not being rude or a troll. I am being blunt and honest. This just confirms my speculation that nearly all Christians, and religious fanatics, are biased, cold-hearted hypocrites.
Thank God I'm an Atheist! *chuckle*
#12The Koran tells the Muslim to never be a friend to nonbelievers, yet the Bible tells you to kill them.
#13Michelle, you seem determined to exemplify the viciousness you pretend to condemn.
...it is only the fanatical fundamentalists that are doing it and it is actually the government and not the religion itself.
Why is it that the vast majority of Muslim leaders worldwide don't proclaim that a Muslim who blows up a bus, plane, train or restaurant, does not go to paradise?
#14The Koran tells the Muslim to never be a friend to nonbelievers, yet the Bible tells you to kill them.
The Koran says in many places to kill nonbelievers - in addition to saying never to be a friend to them, as you point out.
Please cite your Bible references.
#15now vik, I will respond u step by step:
Almost every day, Muslims, acting in the name of Islam, blow up cars, buses, restaurants, etc.
Just tell me where it is written in th holy Quran to blow up cars, buses, resturants. and u said every day.. again a lie.
large numbers of contradictions in it. On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by resorting to "abrogation". This means that the verse written later supersedes the earlier verse.
Well, vik just have answered your own question. and that is "aborgation".
Now, I just give an example. at the time of Muhammad, people used to drink a lot, and as u know that to drink alcohol, is forbiden in islam, to such an extent that even if u dont drink but u just present it to your friend, then u have done the same amount of sin, like u and the drinker both belong to hell.
So, now the question arises how this strict rule of isla mwas implemented in a culture where people used to drink on daily basbs.
Now, here is a very simple example: U know that if a person is addicted to some drug, he is admitted to rehabilitation center, so the doctors use to treat the patient step by step. Slowly and slowly. and in the end. The sujjest the patient to completey stop takingdrugs..
Now problem solved. You guys really dont think. Dont try to jump on the conclusion on a topic to which u r not aware of.
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:
not even the lord of the universe can stand the unbelievers.
now before going into dicussion, I want to ask u one thing, r u a christian or an atheist, or a jew.
Tell me vik, if u r an atheist then ur above said statement makes sense. but if u r a christian, then u kow definately that God will never ever forgive unbelievers.
8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!"
Do u know, I have already explained these verses to u vik, this is one of the battles of the time of Prophet Mumhammad p.b.u.h..
and u should know that this battle was interms of defence.
All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.
Now, according to you, all religion INCLUDING christianity, have someversion of the Goden rule.
well, then what u have to say about the originial sin, what u have to say about a women giving a brith to a child bears the pain. such pain is becase of the original sin.
well, vik to very we honest, just look at the bible there are a lot of contradictions, that u cannot even smell the existance of such golden rule.
A Muslim may be "friendly," but he is never an actual friend.
great, again vik u dont think what is written in the Quran, it has been reminded in the Quran that the unbelievers can never be your true friends.
Why, vik just look at mirror. U will se your face. And if u r really honest, just look in your heart and ask your self, for how long u r trying to defame islam ,how long u r trying to sekk contradictions in Quran.
#16Just tell me where it is written in th holy Quran to blow up cars, buses, resturants. and u said every day..
Zumer, you've already argued on this site that you support people who burn buildings and kill people in the name of Islam.
Re: abrogation - the later verses, the ones that abrogate the earlier ones, are the more violent ones, not the less. As you know, the Koran was written in two parts. The later, more violent part, was written at Medina.
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:
The person quoted is saying that he finds that sentiment in Islam - not in any other religion.
great, again vik u dont think what is written in the Quran, it has been reminded in the Quran that the unbelievers can never be your true friends.
You are providing evidence that supports the point that is made in the article.
#17Vik,
These are my bible citations.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
If you wish, I would happily provide more examples of murder in the bible.
God's approval of rape, slavery, and human sacrafice rituals are also evident in the oh so holy book. I would not feel obliged to cite them as well.
And, sorry about my complete idiocy, but what the hell do you mean that I am exemplifying the "viciousness" that I am "pretending to condemn?" You mean blaming the Muslim leaders rather than the people?
Muslim leaders do not need to say, "Muslims who blow up stuff don't go to paradise" because the answer is, um, quite obvious.
#18PS: I really do not mean to offend Christians, or anybody else, honest. It is only part of my nature that I am passionate--and quite stubborn--about my opinions. Plus, I am 16, so please excuse any ignorance I might have displayed.
#19Muslim leaders do not need to say, Muslims who blow up stuff dont go to paradise because the answer is, um, quite obvious.
The Muslims who blow up buses, trains, planes and restaurants, agree with you that the answer is quite obvious, and state that they believe that they do go to paradise. If you'd like to see video footage of Muslims who are preparing for suicide killings, and footage of Muslims who attempted them and were captured, look at Pierre Rehov's film, Suicide Killers. You will see them saying that a primary motivation for them is their belief that they will go to paradise. We in the West can't imagine anyone would actually believe such a thing. But when you see these people saying it in their own words, it is a revelation.
I will repeat the question: Why is it that the vast majority of Muslim leaders worldwide dont proclaim that a Muslim who blows up a bus, plane, train or restaurant, does not go to paradise?
If you wish, I would happily provide more examples of murder in the bible.
Murder isn't the subject; the subject is a religious injunction to oppress and kill those who are not of your own religion. Such injunctions are throughout the Koran. If you have additional citations of this nature in the bible, please do cite them.
#20Michelle, I just saw your post #18, that you are 16. Welcome to the site! The fact that you are here talking, shows that you are looking for information. That's great.
Here are a few links to things that are going on right now that have some relevance:
Another from LGF
#21Vik... I see that you are still desperately fishing for crumbs here and there to legitimize Israel or any or Israel's barbaric and illegitimate behavior. Good luck my "friend" because your job is going to become harder and harder to do... considering that the American people (those who don't have dual Israeli/American nationalities and loyalties like you)... and the American army are not going to remain stupid for ever.
What a bunch of geriatric morons are on this site. Notice that none of those speaking about Islam with such "expertise" are Muslims...lol!! They are a bunch of Zionist dual nationial Israeli-Americans with one aim in mind, namely the manipulation of the already brainwashed American mind. It is too funny for words to hear the Western world criticize the beating of women in the Arab or Muslim world, when the United States in terms of statistics is the leading country in the world when it comes to the number of battered and abused women. Dont bother to ask me to get you statistics Vik as you are quite capable of googling them yourself. Instead of being apologetic to the Arab and Muslim world for your filthy and disgusting behavior as widely demonstrated in Abu Ghreib, Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine you have the Chutzpah of playing the moral high-ground game. Indeed, decaying ethics like yours and that of your entire cheap propaganda group are only normal signs that occurs with the collapse of any empire. The best part of Americas collapse however, is that the world shall finally be rid of the kingdom of EVIL, Israel.
PS. Please don't bother to ask me anything about Islam as you already know that in principal..., I don't get into "deep" discussions with propagandists... which is what you are. Propaganda is your field..., not mine. I just enjoy a note here or there.
#22Princess, Muslims including Wafa Sultan, Tashbih Sayeed, Nonie Darwish, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali have views which are reported on this site. I strongly recommend you read the book by Muslim Daniel Ali, "Out of Islam: 'Free at Last'".
As is so often the case with people who have no facts to back up their statements, you resort to insults.
You claim that "the United States in terms of statistics is the leading country in the world when it comes to the number of battered and abused women," but you don't back it up.
Do you approve of the Sharia law practice in which your testimony, as a woman, is worth only 1/2 that of a man's? Do you approve of the Muslim cleric who got on TV and discussed the proper methods for wife-beating in Islam? Do you approve of the laws in Iran that punish women for not wearing the approved clothing? Do you approve of the stoning of women? Your rudeness shows that you are starting to realize that the evil is within your own house and that you and your friends are all suffering from it.
#23I'd like to point out that the difference between The US and Islam is that, although we may lead the world in Batterded women (i'm not going to debate your statistic, oh wait you didn't actual provide one, whatever wether we do or not isn't the point) The difference is that if I beat my wife here, I will lose half my possesions and not be able to see my children ever again as she would divorce me in a heart beat. On top of that I would most likely go to jail for assualt. Under sharia law such a beating is legal even commendable, Now who has the moral high ground?
As for those who dont understand christianity its the mirror of islam, in the begining the faith of our father (jews) was extremely violent. It was not until the comming of jesus who established a NEW covenant where we no longer kill the un believer but gentle Love them into our family. jesus says that at worst we should move on from those who don't wish to hear our message and shake the dust from thier feet as a testament against them.
Also Allah is not the GOd I worship, as my God does not tell me to kill people in order to go to heaven. Instead I am told to turn the other cheek, to love my enemies, and to pray for them.
I am not a jew supporter, nor do I think I am brainwashed. I think in fact that the muslims got screwed as they were supposed to get a homeland for supporting the allies against hitler in WWII, but I don't support blowing people up as a valid form of protest.
For those who want to talk about the violence of the christain faith, you have to look to our past, and the barbarism of the time period. You will not see chirstains blowing themselves up in order to gain entrance to heaven, and you can criticise my religon and my govt to your hearts content and you will never see me start a riot or burn anything down or call for a jihad against you and yours. I'll probably even join in with you about alot of the stuff. i can take a joke, I can take well meaning critiscm, i can even *gasp* admit when I or my faith have simply been wrong. As a christain I am Called to be perfect but its understood that its impossible and thats why we have grace.
I'll tell you the reason that moderate and liberal leaders in the muslim faith refuse to condemn the Mullahs who preach death and destruction of the west at any cost including matrydom, Fear. Because they know that they will make themselves a target of these groups should they speak against them.
We are not "claiming the moral high ground" we own it. And all of the rhetoric, slander and insults on your part will never change that.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Michelle
Michelle [Judge for yourself...]
Jer 51:57 And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The whole congregation of God includes those who dwell in the heavens also.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone [The Word of God] shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Ecc 3:5 [For there is] A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; [into the resurrection of Life]
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
All others:
Hbr 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one [Esau - who married into Ishmael's daughters - a thing that he was told not to do], and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, {made up many members] and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels [not humans] shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just
The New Testament [The Book of the Christians] offers not one single Scripture that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Quite the contrary is taught.
The Koran on the other hand - if all of the violent, hate-filled and oppressive writings were removed - there wouldn't be much left.
Even being an atheist - which one would you rather had fed to the young?
For it is certain - that ALL will reap what the mosques are sowing.
Beheadings, gang rape, the cutting off of limbs, crucifixions, treason, genocide and more - all on a level that a 10-year old can understand.
If any deny - I can give them - chapter, verse - and writing.
And if any come forth to claim that the writings are being taken out of context - I say - so will those among the millions who are introduced to them - take them out of context. One example of the many:
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet '''the Unbelievers''' in fight, smite at their necks. Behead them! and the Muslims are commanded to initiate the fight} 002.216 - 009.039 - throughout the earth} 004.101 - 004.100
Beheadings, gang rape, crucifixions, cutting off limbs, treason, genocide - These are what the Koran sows.
ALL will reap what the mosques are sowing. [and they only just begun - in America]
Here is a question for the whole Islamic world:
Upon what Holy Spiritual Athority does Islam demand that Palestine be established?
The Koran mentions the name Israel (even devoted a whole chapter to the children of Israel) - but not once - does the Koran ever mention the name Palestine.
The God of the Bible mentions Palestine - in a prophetic song - the song of Moses. The saints 'sing' this song. And they have Isaiah and Joel for upon the testimony of two or three witnesses - shall the matter be established.
There was the prophecy about Palestine - for end time - in the Book that Moses delivered - the whole time - even while Muhammad wrote his Koran.
It's terrifying!
#26You're review of Islam and the teachings of the Qur’an is wrong on so many levels that it would take me the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin. So, not having that kind of time to spare today I will just cut to the chase of what it is that I am still perplexed by in these kinds of writings.
Are you and the others like you who, seem to be posting all over the net these days, part of a larger propaganda operation run by the federal government? Perhaps the underground operation version of the disinformation unit that Donald Rumsfeld was going to operate out of the Pentagon, before he about got run out of town for it? He did say after that debacle that he was going to run some kind of operation like that even if he couldn’t name it what he wanted to. Are you part of that unit Mr. Rumsfeld was talking about?
Or are you really just this ignorant of the world around you?
I am hoping that the former is the answer. Because, if the later is true; well I know that we have developed some difficulties in the country’s educational system over the last couple of decades, but I simply did not understand they were this severe.
I am greatly looking forward to your response as it will really help to clarify for me as to whether or not I should get involved more with school issues these days. I myself was one of the fortunate ones who were able to by-pass the public school system but, I very much think that it is an obligation of all Americans to try and make it the best we can for those who were not as lucky. It is, after all you know, in the country’s best interest.
Well, anyway, hope to hear back from you soon.
R. Connors
#27Also Allah is not the GOd I worship
So, does that mean there are multiple gods?
#28"We are not “claiming the moral high ground we own it”
I'll say! And it looks like you got a lock on humility too.
#29Another little observation of Mein Kampf - it’s one of Palestine’s best sellers!
Yeah and if Christian fundamentalist ever read it, it would be one of their's too. Here's a few quotes from it.
“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.”
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
"“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people."
"“I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.”
So take those to church next Sunday and you'll be the hit of the day. I know they make me so happy that America also has a good God fearing Christian as president to lead us through these dark and dangerous times we are living through.
#30r. connors,
The ad hominem argument is considered a logical fallacy, as well as an indication of a lack of facts to back up a point of view:
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: “argument to the person”, “argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.
If you have any facts to back up your point of view, please post them.
#31"Ad hominem attack." Boy you don't hear that response from fascist very often when they are confronted with fact.
As for facts, I already posted them. As for facts about the Qur'an, why don't you go and read it if you really want to know what it's about.
#32As for facts, I already posted them.
Please cite one fact you posted in your comment #26.
#33Hey, who here is up for getting Christo-Fascist Awareness week going?
#34"Please cite one fact you posted in your comment #26."
Ok, here you go.
You’re review of Islam and the teachings of the Qur’an is wrong on so many levels that it would take me the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin."
#35Ok, now here's a question that maybe you can provide some fact on.
If we can cite Al-Qaeda as being representative of Islam, can we also cite the Ku Klux Klan as being representative of Christianity.
#36You’re review of Islam and the teachings of the Qur’an is wrong on so many levels that it would take me the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin.
That's not a statement of fact. That's a statement that it would take you "the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin" to come up with some facts.
#37If we can cite Al-Qaeda as being representative of Islam, can we also cite the Ku Klux Klan as being representative of Christianity.
The answer is no, because the Bible does not say to kill the people of a particular skin color, while the Koran does say, over and over again, to kill the Christians and to kill the Jews.
#38"That’s not a statement of fact."
Wrong again. That is an irrefutable statement of fact.
Where did you study logic at again?
#39Wrong again. That is an irrefutable statement of fact.
It's an irrefutable statement that you'd need, in your words, "the better part of a day" to come up with any facts that might back up your point of view.
#40If we can cite Al-Qaeda as being representative of Islam, can we also cite the Ku Klux Klan as being representative of Christianity.
The answer is no, because the Bible does not say to kill the people of a particular skin color, while the Koran does say, over and over again, to kill the Christians and to kill the Jews.
Well of course, as every good little potty trained Christian Fascist knows, Islam is the religion of pure evil. What was it one of your enlightened theologists said? Something along the lines of "Show me one thing that Islam has brought anew that is not of evil" or something like that.
So, lets take a look at some random things the bible brings forth which inspires people to be good loving Christians who only what peace and freedom for all people on earth.
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
"And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers" (Judges 8:7)
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
This one is particularly loving, G-d slaughters black people
"And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)
"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
Kill All Unbelievers
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34
Mathew
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.Mathew 10:35
Yes Sir, that them thars some real moral values.
#41RE: You post # 36
You’re review of Islam and the teachings of the Qur’an is wrong on so many levels that it would take me the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin.
That’s not a statement of fact. That’s a statement that it would take you “the better part of the day just to figure out where to begin” to come up with some facts.
So are you saying that literacy is an issue for you?
#42The answer is no, because the Bible does not say to kill the people of a particular skin color, while the Koran does say, over and over again, to kill the Christians and to kill the Jews.
Would you be so kind as to point out where it mentions that in the Qur'an as I missed that part in my two readings of it.
Thanks in advance.
#43[Kody "Monster"] Scott had seemingly turned himself around, converting to Islam and telling people he was rejecting his violent ways.
Given that public places are blown up almost daily in the name of Islam, with the undeniable implicit sanction of global Islamic leaders, how is it possible for an organization such as the LA Times to make a statement like "Scott had seemingly turned himself around, converting to Islam..."?
I have to agree with you here. Why ever would Scott convert to Islam when he could have converted to Christianity and turned himself completely around.
Yes, Scott could have by now been part of a bomber crew blowing up people all over the world, to the tune of over a million people in Iraq which it's thought that some 60% were women and children, and he would be fighting for truth, justice and the American fascist way.
But if Scott were to hurry there may still be time for him to covert back and get in on the upcoming crusade in Iran, and with nuclear weapons it's hard telling how many people he might get to kill while defending the one true G-d of the universe.
I mean come on, why jihad with the street thugs when you can crusade with the big guns, how dumb is that. Scott must be a liberal.
#44r. connor,
There are plenty of specific incidents of killing in the Bible, but the citations you posted do not tell Christians or Jews to kill people of other religions as a way of life.
Would you be so kind as to point out where it mentions that in the Qur’an as I missed that part in my two readings of it.
From the Koran:
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
#45Ok, now I am confused. In your post # 42 you say,
"The answer is no, because the Bible does not say to kill "
But then in your post #44 you say,
"There are plenty of specific incidents of killing in the Bible"
Now which one is correct, the Bible does say to kill or it doesn't?
#46The Koran is *supposedly* narrated by Allah through the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed. Thus each and every word in it is from Allah. When the Koran says to do something it is a commandment from Allah. The Bible, on the other hand, is a collection of different forms of literature, and except for small exceptions like the ten commandments are not the actual words spoken by God. The red-letter text spoken by Jesus in the NT is a larger exception. The Bible is a book of stories, history, genealogy, legal codes, wisdom literature, self-help, poetry, songs, and prophecy. Things that happen in the Bible are not an endorsement of them. This is how there can be killing in the Bible without the Bible endorsing the killing.
As to the thought that combative home-schooled paranoid schizophrenics like r. connor should serve as watchdogs on the national school systems, I think that would be a very bad idea. Perhaps he should start by reading some history that wasn't written by Howard Zinn, hagiographer of Karl Marx.
#47r. connors,
You misquoted me. Try checking the correct quote. It's in #37 - #42 is a post of yours.
#48Well I'm not going to split hairs with you, instead let's move on to the big questions.
What is it that you Christian Fascists hate about America? Didn't America provide an adequate environment for you to grow up in.
Why is it that you support destroying the Constitution that so many Americans gave there lives for? What is it that really bothers you about freedom and liberty that causes you to despise it so much and mandates that you destroy it at every turn?
Is it that you feel that you didn't achieve the station in life that you thought that you deserved and that someone has to pay for it? What is it about the psychotic homophobia you exhibit that really frightens you? Are you afraid if those who have a different sexual orientation than you are no t persecuted that you might not be able to contain yourself in such an open society? Or do you just resent others who are able to be what they are without experiencing quilt and shame?
Why is it that you who present themselves as the apogee of morality can turn around and give unquestioned support to that which is clearly a criminal regime that has assumed power in America. Are you just so afraid and fearful of life that deep down inside you feel that only a dictator can really protect you?
This is what normal people in America want to know. Maybe there is someway that we can help you cope with these disorders you are afflicted with, but you have to be willing to accept the help that you so desperately need. We would really like to know before the whole country goes up in flames from the complicity you bring to social contract as a result of you delusional fantasy's of grandiosity.
Let me know how we can help. We know the internal pain you experience must be immense.
#49Wolf Pangloss
I take it your not a fundamentalist, as they know the bible is the inerrant infallible word of G-d.
Which would mean in today's Christian America, you are by definition, not a Christian.
#50"Perhaps he should start by reading some history"
Wolf boy,
If you only knew how absolutely hysterical your statement was.
#51R. Connors, you throw a lot of insults around, but you appear to have no facts to back your point of view.
#52Hey Vic,
I am reading an article this morning concerning the Nazi Holocaust when I came across this statement which immediately caused me to think of your site.
Thought I would post it for your use as you can easily justify your positions in that it seems there is historical precedent for such views in defense of ones country.
In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion." Homosexuality was declared contrary to "wholesome popular sentiment.
#53Sorry Vic, I posted this one in the wrong thread so I thought I would post it hear again for you.
Also Vic,
Came across this article on the net that I thought would be useful for your site. They not only just misquote an al-Qur’an Sura here, they completely make the verse up! Anyway the title of the story is:
On Matthias Küntzel’s Jihad and Jew-Hatred
and it can be found here:
http://www.telospress.com/main/index.php?main_page=news_article&article_id=207
Your reqularly readers will really love this one. But you might not want to let them know where you got it, as they could start going there more than to you site.
Anyway, let me know if there is anything I can do to help you promote your fascist propaganda.
Freegards
R. Conners
#54Oops, I should have said:
Anyway, let me know if there is anything I can do to help you promote your fascist propaganda and Islamic antisemitism.
#55"R. Connors, you throw a lot of insults around, but you appear to have no facts to back your point of view."
Well Vic, let's face it, you're not really the kind of guy who is going to let facts get in the way of his ideology. So, to post facts for you would just really be a waste of my time and your time too.
#56So, to post facts for you would just really be a waste of my time and your time too.
How would you know? You never post any.
#57can i just ask is vik rubenfeld
da creator of dis site ???
#58peace be upon all my Christian and Jewish Brothers and sisters
regarding the Treatment of non-muslims in a muslim Sopciety and the treatment of a non-muslim During the times of the Prophet and the Concept of Humanity in Islam .. here are some Examples
The Term Nas(or Human Being) used in The Quran is irrespective of a person's belif and just means HUman . .or HUmanity in general.
when the Quran says
"Killing a Man is equal to killing the entire humanity (commiting mass genocide)" this is regardless of a person's ethnicity or religious ties
when the Prophet said
"All the Unbelivers living in the Islamic State are (people of Dhimma) your respolsibility..any one who hurts them hurts me" ...
here the unbeliver is in the general term and not termed as Christians or Jews they are Called .. "Ahl-e-Kitab" .. or People of the Book ...
and the Quran says
"The ones that you will find Most Similar to you on eart are those who call themselves Nisara (Christians) " ..
there is no discriminatino of Catholic or Protestant or jahova's Witnesis
and regarding the Treatment of Non-muslims
after the First battle the non-muslims captured by the muslims who could not pay for their release were told to plow the feilds for a certain time .. or to Teach 10 children to read or write and they were free.
when their hands were tied very hard the person who tied them was dealt with and the ropes were lossened on the command of the Prophet
when COnquring mecca a man said "today is the day of REvenge |" the Prophet Replied today is the day of forgiveness .. and removed that person from his post.. and put another person there
#59Regarding the Prophet's Personal Treatment of the Enemies
when the Wanted dead/alive .. leader of the Christians of Arabia who Launched a war against the Muslims in Arabia (Udai Ibn Hatim) came to the Prophet the prophet toook him to his home .. on his way .. he sat down to listen to an old ladies complaints... and when he took him home..
his home had nothing but a bed made of corse leather filled with palm tree shavings... a single chair and some water and some wheat...
and the Prophet at that time was the King of Arabia and rulled most of the Arabian Penesula..
He asked Udai.. his Worst Enemy to sit on the Chair and he himslef sat on the Floor to talk to him one on one... as to why he launched a war against all muslims..
This was an Example set forth for all the Muslims for all the times to come
Further More..
Since 9/11 .. till 2006 ... 1.5 Million . White Christian Americans have converted To islam .. (reported by CNN)
Miss qouting form the Quran ... is similar to saying that in the Pentoch and the Latter book of the Old testiment Moses and Other Prophets have Order to
1.Kill all men and woman and children and Old and keep only virgins alive
2. when you attack kill all the people and the cattle and burn the farms and kill the oxen and so forth
3. when you take a city kill their children by striking them on rocks
numbers 31:17-18
Deuteronomy 20:13-20
Samuel 15:1-4
(now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all they have ,and spare them not , but slay both man and woman, infant ans suckling, Ox and Sheep , camel and ass)
Psalms 137:1-9
Hosea2:1-4
HOSEA 13:16
Ezekiel 23:45:48
Chronicles 15:13
Kings 9:7-9
Revelation 2:22-23
you can check it out at http://www.biblegateway.com
Qouting out of Context is Devlish and is a way to mislead people using Propaganda and flooding them with information that is hard to understand is a very effective method of Brainwash...
a similar technique can be applied to both the bible and the Quran as well as many other books of religion
so i implore you .. Before makin up your mind about a certain aspect of a religion apply the same to your religion..
i am a muslim and its forbiden for me to curse any of the Prophets for my faith Requires me to belive in the Prophets of the True Religions "Christianity and Judaism"
and i am even not allowed hurt a polythiest by cursing his religion .. yet i am obliged to say the Truth and not be a hypocrate
the words of the Quran
"When you call others to islam call them in the most polite manner, yet it will still hurt them"
i hope i made many things clear for my brotheren in faith ..
May God Bless you and me with Knowledge and understanding
#60whether you are a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim, what is right is right and what's wrong is wrong. simply put, to take advantage of anyone, or hurt anyone, is fibiddon in all works of God. Whether one blows up a bus in Tel Aviv or bulldozes a house in Gaza, it's wrong. Palestinians who blow up buses and kill innocent lives are lunatics and do not represent what the mainsteram Muslims beleive in.
My only question is this, after the world war II and the West rejected to take on European Jew and decided to send them back to their biblical homeland ( several hundereds years back) to Palestine... Did they think that there would be total harmony??? No. Yeras latetr and numersous peace treaties later, there still isn't. There never will be. it is what it is. As long as there is an Israel and Palestine, there will be ongoing tension. It is a sad state as the sons of Abraham can not live in peace. Perhaps one day... rest assured, i am not heading to Isreal to retire anytime soon.
#61simply put, to take advantage of anyone, or hurt anyone, is fibiddon in all works of God.
This pretense that the Koran is just as peace-loving as all the other religions is getting to be a tired and ineffective sham. At this point almost everyone is becoming aware that the Koran proscribes violence and murder. From the Koran:
[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
#62The talk above quoting the "Noble Quran" as how "to kill a single human being is to kill all of humanity" is just one example of "Abrogation" in the Quran. This is what "Believers" tell ignorant "Unbelievers" while knowing well that this is abrogated by the verse of the sword, sura 9:5, "Kill the Unbelievers wherever you find them...." This is also an example of the aforementioned "al Taqiyya", the not only deceptive but virtuous practice in Islam that tells them that it is ok to lie, cheat, steal, kill to Unbelievers to futher the cause of Islam, but not so to do so to Believers.
And the faulty logic presented over and over again above. We are presented with a link as to how homosexual Catholic priests who have violated children is somehow the same thing as Muhammod marrying a 9 year old, and is somehow the same thing as those "Eternally young boys" that are available to "Martyrs" (the Islamic spelling of "Murderers") in paradise, in addition to the dark eyed houris beauties. You might think those youths were just for running errands for these heros, but you would be wrong. And do we have those Catholic priests going to paradise with houris and eternally young boys? Did you check to see that they were jailed, and enormous compensation was paid. Did you check that, or was this part of the "Selective Islamic Memory??" And oh, this business of quoting truculent verses of the Bible and deriving from this that Islam is just another religion which happens to have similar verses. Nevermind that no one would think to "Kill thee who works on the Sabbath" as it commands in Exodus, today, or if they did they would be locked up and hopefully executed (America does have a lawyer plague, but another story for another day). No, sorry, no paradise and houris and young boys for those priests. What you apologetic types fail to understand is that THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROGRESSION IN ISLAM. THE QURAN IS THE PERFECT BOOK, NEVERMIND IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF WHEN CONVENIENT, IT WAS NOT EVEN CREATED, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, IT CAN NOT BE ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS ALMOST BEING 2009, IT IS FORBIDDEN TO INTERPRET THE QURAN. So while you point at things done by Christians 500 years ago, how about taking a look at Sudan NOW and in preceding years, where BELIEVERS have murdured over 1 million UNBELIEVERS. You surely have heard about Darfur, and are you kidding yourself about who is doing the murduring and that it is all in the name of ALLAH?? And what about East Timor, in which Amnesty International estimated in 1989, that Muslims had murdured 200,000 Christians of a total population of 600,000 (total, muslims and Christians) there?? Notice that this was 1989, not 1589.
#63What about the over 100,000 Muslims murdured by Muslims in Algeria since 1990 (note the year)? And I could do pages more of similar examples, I am not ending that track b/c there is no more. Look for yourself, read "The Sword of the Prophet" by Serge Trifkovic, "Islam Unveiled" by Robert Spencer, watch "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West," and "Islam: What the West Needs to Know About Radical Islam" on dvd. The libraries are filled with similar books on this take your pick (that is if you don't live someplace like Egypt, Saudi Arabia,... nothing but garbage lie books there, Quran nonsense). These fallacies, we think "All religions are peaceful and tolerant, Islam is a religion, Islam is tolerant." No no, unfortunately this is an IS world, not a SHOULD BE world. Islam is what it IS, not what we think it SHOULD BE. We Americans, bless our hearts, are used to movies where bad stuff happens and then the good guy prevails in some heroic climax preserving liberty and justice and freedom for all, and many are into the "All religions are the same" thing. So easy to do, to see everyone as we are.
But consider our European friends (??), who will face the evil of Islam before we do, and will it wake us up? Consider France, who is perhaps 10 years from the Second French Revolution. Or those brave Belgians, who are forbidden to have a moment of silence on 9/11 for the victims, as IT MIGHT OFFEND ISLAMICS. But wait, do not the Islamics tell us that Mossad did this, nevermind that bin Laden said he was proud of doing this and wants credit? So if this is their story, then why are they offended???? Does this make sense to anyone? (I am aware that America has similar idiots like Rosie ODonnel and Michael Moore and the hollywood pretty boys and often married starlets or always married, just to different guys liberals). And oh, those proud Spaniards. That grand old Spanish Armada stuff and Balboa and Columbus and glories past. Those brave Spaniards who went to the polls and stood in the rain and showed those Islamics how mad they were about the terrorists train attacks and so elected the favorite of Islamics, the softest liberal touch of all. In other words, the terrorists deceided the Spanish president. How impressive, Dhimmitude Spain once again. I am glad that Spain won the World Cup, as they need something to be proud of, nothing to be proud of for hundreds of years. But to the French, Spanish, Belgians, here is what you need to get your arms around. What happens to the animal who is swallowed by the Anaconda??? That animal becomes just part of the Anaconda, it is gone, its history is gone. No Hector Berlioz, no armada, no Louis Ampere, they and your history never existed. The history books are rewritten by Islamics to say that everything that you ever did was preordained by Allah, and done by his command. You become Eurabia, Land of Dhimmitude, as Bat Ye'or said in her book of this title. And if you think that is a bit far fetched, google "The Gates of Vienna, September 11, 1683." Yes, it was September 11th. This was where the King of Poland ended, for then, Islamic aggression against Europe. But surely you realize that September 11th was chosen by bin Laden to tell you, "We are back." And do you realize that Leapold Mozart, father of Wolfgang Amadeus, was born in Vienna in the early 1700s. And Beethoven in Bonn in !770. All of that and everything after it would never have happened. Don't believe it, well you can look it up. But all of this is likely to be undone anyway, if you continue your march into oblivion. It will be as if Beethoven and Mozart never existed as well. This time the enemy is immigration, much more subtle, don't you think. So you just keep blaming all your problems on America, as you have dismantled your defenses enjoying your freedom since the second world war due to the US Army in Gemany and the American Nuclear Umbrella. You got soft, 35 hour work weeks and all, so just keep telling yourselves that everything is America's fault. After all, anacondas need sustenance too.
#64I am new to this site and have read with interest all the posts...pro and con.
What striles me is the argument that both religions have had violent rhetoric in their respective holy books. The distinction is that it is the Islamists that are currently acting this violence out globally, not the Christians. The point has also been made that if a Christian commits these acts, he/she is universally condemned by his/her OWN community and held criminally liable.
Thanks for allowing me my two cents.
#65this constant bleeting and braying and intellectual analysis is a dam boor. let me be aggressive and state a pox on all religious fanatics and extremists and it is patently obvious that religion or idealistisms have nothing to do with the good or bad character of a human being. many factors are involved in the creation of a mature aware caring compassionate and universal human being. physiologically that baby in your mothers womb which is so adorred has evolutionary wise every specie since evolution began and that includes crocodiles, mosquitoew, giraffes, lions and tigers and even homo sapiens. visit siem riep in cambodia and observe that amazing bas relief on a buddhist temple which shows crocodiles swallowing human beings. oh yes man is a predator and it will always be so. hopefully in the not too distant future if our specie survives that the lessons of abraham over 4000 years ago will be understood and applied. abhor human sacrifice and dont worship idols. dr adam rosenblatt
#66When I lived in Israel, I worked for a short time as a room cleaner in a hotel. The Israeli housekeeper taught us to clean the kitchen starting from the top cupboard, and then world down toward the floor, thereby catching all the dirt and sweepingit up. The Arab housekeeper taught us to clean from the BOTTOM UP. That about sums up the mentality and education of the Moslem.
#67That is right if you dont start from the top and go down then you will have to start all over. Thats like a lot of us we start from the bottom and go up and when we are done we have to start over because the dirt that was at the top is now back at are feet.
#68
http://www.watchislam.com/videos/index.php?catid=-1
http://islamalways.com/
http://www.islamqa.com/en
#69When I lived in Israel, I worked for a short time as a room cleaner in a hotel.
#70as a child psychiatrist well versed in illusion delusion and paranoid psychotic thinking the higher iq psychotics will masturrbate publicly in full view of all of us and will enjoy repeated orgasms via the babblings of men like r connors. shame on you vik and others getting sucked in to these obsessive sick sex games. so much space in the big picture could be more usefully used to educate our less aware and ignorant readers which make up most of us. psychotic debating and nit picking games do not serve any useful purpose in moving man forewards. i would suggesrt perhaps a partial cure for these drunken orgies of word idea games no matter how sophisticated. life is not a chess game but a matter of survival and death. all your contributors should see james cameron's avatar at least 5 times to get themselves deprogrammed for all that childhood garbage that fills our unconscious baby-adult minds. i love that interchange between the blue squaw and her newly met naive american marine. go way you are a baby a moron. the denouement of course when she takes him to meet her mother at the tribal place of the goddess eywha. the mother pulls a feather from the newly created blue nava nee former marine american and says to her daughter. cure him of his insanity. finally there is the exclamation of the clone of the vietnam general westmoreland of body count fame to his total betrayal by the ex marine grunt. you have betrayed your race for a piece of tail. humour and satire magnificent created by james cameron's genius). all those orgasms between all the species and plant world of nava wonderful exciting and very very funny. is it not true readers that we are all orgasm chasers. after all the golden chains of the lord of creation are all about being fruitful and multiplying.
#71i protest. your electronic systems are far from perfect. you have lost the "a" from my name adam and the r from my name adam rosenblatt. ps for readers who would like to experience my many other non sexual political commentaries re the situations in nepal and thailand etc etc my best blogs are---- the himalayan times, patterico's pontifications and the thaindian news. dr adam rosenblatt MB BS. MD.
#72most certainly the big picture of vik rubenfeld offers wonderful lessons in the logistics of thinking islamic and fundamentalist christian style with its abrogation dualistic thinking patterns (of course the same applies to the holy roman catholic imperial fascist political church of which ex cardinal ratzinger now pope benedict the 16th is the latest child of satan on the block). it must be mentioned that the psychotic aspect of this abrogation and dualistic thinking is part of the buddhist world in cambodia with pol pots agrarian utopia and the massacre of over 2 million cambodian citizens (courtesy of the secret carpet bombings of the kissinger-nixon axis of evil). for we westerners that dutch and pol pot will never in reality be punished for their heinous crimes against humanity is one of the most negative aspects of the karmic buddhist model of thinking. again avatar of james cameron also places buddhist thinking on the line. the blue squaw and the marine-avatar are face to face when the avatar asks the goddess eywha to intervene and the blue squaw says eywha never takes sides, and he says i can only ask. miraculously avatar presents a goddess that is evolving as in his wonderful psychedelic creation the goddess sends those monster elephant like sexy crested elephants against the american napalm toting invader to destroy their infernal nam killing machines. .
#73Fake liberals know privately what it is about but if they came out in public they would be joining the execrated right by whom they define their moral superiority and the purchase on power that goes with. Pseudo intellectual, self seeking indulgencies and acquitells such as 'context' and retrospective 'moral equivillance' pose as licit arguments for the credulous and if that doesn't squash dissent there is of course, the hateing secular evil of 'racism',to flay the genuinely liberal into fearful submissives alive. There is a root affinity and dark methoodology in common between them including most fundamentally, an absence of generic respect for human life.
He finds that the thought pattern taught by Islam is so antithetical to that taught by non-Islamic cultures, that non-Muslims have difficulty even beginning to consider it.
Bill Warner brilliantly states what many of us have instinctively suspected. Indeed, the mind of a person raised in Islam is so fundamentally far from that of a person who is non-Muslim, that the non-Muslim - without some real education - has no grasp of it.
In order to understand our fellow man, we all begin with a common ethical foundation. But when the common ethical foundation is nonexistant - we struggle to find a new paradigm - or in the case of radical Islam, any paradigm at all.
I have often thought that the reason much of the Christian world fails to confront the evil of radical Islam is because Christians as a whole are still assuming a common ground between the two religions, and the truth is, one doesn't really exist. The Christian failure to fully realize that, continues to put and to keep the West in danger.